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Killer Karaoke, Rhyme and Punishment
Join us in our latest episode as we uncover the chilling stories behind some of your favorite songs. Music has always served as a rich narrative vessel, and in this episode, we dive deep into a thematic exploration of how artists use their platforms to reflect harrowing true crime events.
We'll discuss gripping songs like "The Way" by Fastball, inspired by the disappearance of an elderly couple, and analyze how this tragedy is transformed into an uplifting melody infused with darker undertones. As we unpack each song’s inspirations, listeners will learn how music not only entertains but also illuminates complex societal issues, inviting reflection and dialogue.
We also delve into the haunting lyrics of “Suffer Little Children” by The Smiths, shedding light on the notorious Moores murders and the societal implications intertwined with it. This song unfolds like a cautionary tale, provoking thought on how narratives are constructed and whom we choose to remember. The emotional resonance of “Polly” by Nirvana brings forth a discussion on survival and the grim realities faced by victims, highlighting the need for societal awareness regarding these serious subjects.
Listeners will hear about various other songs and their real-life inspirations, from U2's commentary on political turmoil with “Sunday Bloody Sunday” to reflecting on the unjust societal neglect faced by Georgia Lee Moses in Tom Waits' “Georgia Lee.” Each selection serves as a powerful reminder of music’s ability to capture both the beauty and horror of the human experience.
We encourage our audience to engage with us, sharing their thoughts on the songs discussed and any that have touched them personally. Subscribe for more deep dives into the intersecting worlds of art, culture, and true crime, and let’s continue this conversation together! #truecrime #90s #music #80s #genx
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Speaker 2:Hello and welcome to Like Whatever a podcast for by and about Gen X. I'm Nicole and this is my BFFF, heather, hello, so um, we are recording and not in our normal we are, and it does feel funky, it does it does feel weird.
Speaker 3:Um we are, because nicole was in my neck of the woods this week, so I didn't have to. She has to drive the hour and I don't now. So, yes, we are recording at my uh, my mom's house, because she has this giant room that she does not use. Yes, because they bought a house that's too big for them. Yes, so if it sounds weird, that's why you're gonna hear traffic, because I don't have any way to block that window off.
Speaker 3:So, yeah, yeah and we couldn't do it at my house because my bird would scream the entire time and you would have heard it. Nobody wants to hear my bird scream.
Speaker 2:Not during the podcast. No. So, how was your week? It was good. I'm having a hectic week this week and it's stressing me out because I'm used to doing a lot of sitting. I'm a big fan of doing nothing.
Speaker 2:Me too. I'm a big fan of doing nothing, me too, and you know, yesterday was busy, today I was judging a statewide competition all day, and now I'm here. Tomorrow's work, thursday's long, friday's long, but Saturday's my birthday? Yes, it is, it is birthday week. It is birthday week that keeps me going, because I love birthday week. It is birthday week that keeps me keeps me going, because I love birthday week. What are you gonna do for your birthday? Um, I think I haven't totally decided, but I think I want to go to the brandywine zoo, because I haven't been there in a very long time and my husband's never been there, and I want to go into old newcastle and walk around because again.
Speaker 2:haven't done it in a long time. Maybe get lunch at the old tavern there and all that. So yeah, that's where I'm at right now, Unless I think of something better. That's fine.
Speaker 3:That sounds nice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it should be what about you? Anything good this week?
Speaker 3:I am home alone for I don't know how long Possibly ever, I don't know. My husband went to pick up my stepdaughter's car in Florida, and so maybe he'll just stay there. I don't know. Yeah, he loves it there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe he loves it there more than he loves you.
Speaker 3:That I know 100%. That is 100% true there more than he loves you. That I know a hundred percent. That is a hundred percent true. Right, there's no doubt in my mind that he loves the state of florida more than he loves me, and that's fine yeah, you know it's fine so yeah, I'm trying to think um.
Speaker 2:I watched the oscars I did not, it was all right. I mean, zoe zeldana's speech was awesome. I didn't see any of it, but yeah, yeah, it was all right. I mean, I'm not a big fan of the Oscars. It's too uptight for me.
Speaker 3:I usually like watching what they wear, but I do like to see what they wear. I actually totally forgot it was on Sunday and then it got too late and I was like, oh well, and I had to take him to the airport Monday morning. So before work, yeah, I drove to Newcastle and then went to work. Ew, yeah, and here's the crazy part.
Speaker 3:So not some of you know this, because you know us but so he left at a Newcastle which is like two hours from our house. I drove him up in the morning he had to be there at five dropped him off and then I drove down to rehoboth where I work and when I pulled into lewis I did the flight tracker thing so I could see his plane was taking off at 6 15. So he was there for an hour. When I pulled into lewis his plane had taken off and was in georgetown.
Speaker 1:Was flying over georgia the time it took me to drive the entire state.
Speaker 2:I was like how's that even fair? I do love that airport, though.
Speaker 3:It's so easy it's stupid easy to get in and out of. Yeah, yeah, I wish I had more flights out of there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I took it when I went to Fort Myers in November and it just, it's like you almost feel like you're doing something wrong.
Speaker 3:Yeah, those little airports like that.
Speaker 2:That's how Salisbury is too.
Speaker 3:Well, because he said Sunday, maybe I should just go up Sunday and just stay in the airport. And I was like, I'm pretty sure you can't stay in the airport. It's like Salisbury where they close, right. And he was like, oh, I didn't think of that. And he was like, well, maybe I'll just get a hotel room. And I was like, whatever you want to do. And then he didn't get home from whatever it was he was doing until 8.45 at night and I said if you, think I'm driving to Newcastle right now you're nuts.
Speaker 3:So I took him out before work and then I went to work and then I was very tired.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was the right choice, though I think so I definitely would have done it in the morning, before 8.45.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Because I wouldn't have gotten home till 2. And then I would have had to try and go to sleep and then I had to get up at 6. And so I was like I mean that's?
Speaker 2:crazy talk.
Speaker 3:That's bedtime, so I ended up getting up at 2.30 and made yesterday very long, but I went to bed early last night, so yeah, and you had the whole bed and I slept like a log, so I did have the whole bed to myself.
Speaker 3:everybody in the house was happy, except with cats. I forgot to buy cat food, and that's another thing. I said, oh shit, I forgot to buy cat food, so they're gonna freak out. So I gave him dog food and and he was like you know, you really shouldn't give cats dog food. It has too much carbs in it, like they get grains and stuff. It was one meal Cats aren't supposed to have that. They're supposed to have all protein. And I was like you do know, cats eat out of garbage dumpsters, right? So I feel like one day of dog food will be fine for them, although they did throw up this morning, so I guess they're.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well they'll be all right, Like I was, like yo, picky.
Speaker 2:And one of them.
Speaker 3:I got off the street out of a dumpster, so like, what are you doing?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, they're fine. Yeah, that's been my adventure this week. And then who knows when he's coming back because he's bringing that car up. So if that car even makes it up, maybe he'll get stranded and you'll get like another week out of this. I can't even man, that would be great.
Speaker 3:I love my alone time and my doing nothing. I didn't turn the TV on.
Speaker 2:That's why I didn't watch I had been home.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, I just sit in the quiet yeah, with my bird. I love the quiet and the dog yes, yeah so, anyway, that's that about that, yeah, yeah. So I'm excited about this this week. So this week I got to combine my love of true crime with the topic. I finally got what I want to do, so we're going to trigger warning this, because there's true crime, there's talk of true crime on this one. There's murder and all kinds of cool stuff.
Speaker 2:My favorite.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so let's fuck around and find out about songs that involve a true crime. Woo-hoo. A true crime, woohoo. My sources were PasteMagazinecom, thoughtcatalogcom, americansongwritercom and Grungecom.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:So my whole inspiration for this was the first one, and they're all mostly Gen X, like I may have stretched a little bit, but they're all you know. Either the song was done, they're all songs we know yeah. Right, and you know they're either done in our time or the crime happened in our time.
Speaker 2:But look, you get it, the first one, and the inspiration was fastball the way gosh, I love that song and I've known, I think, pretty much since it came out what it was about, which just makes me love it even more I didn't know.
Speaker 3:I did know it was about a true crime story, but I didn't know the story and I heard it on last podcast on the left and another one and I was like oh that makes a lot of sense yep.
Speaker 3:So in 1997, which the fastballs the way, was released january 7th 1998. Okay, c, squarely in the gen x zone. Yeah, in 1997, um, an elderly couple named the howards lived in Salado Texas and they planned to go to a fiddling festival 15 miles from their home. Lila Howard was 83 years old and was showing signs that she was suffering from Alzheimer's. Raymond Howard was 88 and had recently suffered a stroke and head injury which required surgery. So, first of all, who in hell let these people on their own?
Speaker 2:Yeah, who didn't take their car keys away, at least? I mean, my grandma fought my dad when the time came, but he said no, I'm taking the keys.
Speaker 3:I'm not blaming anybody, but you know this probably right.
Speaker 2:This whole situation could have been maybe their I'm not blaming anybody, but this whole situation could have been. Maybe their kids live far away and they didn't realize.
Speaker 3:Anyway, I digress. So the Howard's son had called that morning, concerned about his parents' cognitive health and begging them to let him drive them to the festival. Okay, so he's off the hook, although he did still let them do it. A couple said that they would be fine, since they attended the festival every year, so they would be fine. Right A 500 miles away, a police officer pulled a couple over for driving at night with their headlights off. Lila, who was driving the one with Alzheimer's perfect was driving Couldn't tell the officer where they lived. The officer gave her a warning to turn her lights on and sent them on their way Again. Come on now, like she didn't know where she lived. She's driving. She's 80 years old, I think. Maybe that cop.
Speaker 2:Yeah, how about? Is there someone we can call for you.
Speaker 3:And you're 500 miles away from where you started.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean yes, oh, my God, if I got 500 miles from where I started, I wouldn't know how to get back to where I was supposed to be going, especially if I was only supposed to go 15 miles to a fiddler. So I feel like she was like we're never going to get there.
Speaker 3:Where were they going without ever knowing the way? Get there. Where were they going without ever knowing the way? Three days after the couple was reported missing by their children, they attended a farmer's market in arkansas. A search of the couple's home revealed that they left their cat toiletries and clothing behind. The calendar in the howard home was displaying february, though it was June when they left. 14 days after the couple left for their 15-mile trip, they were found with their car at the bottom of a cliff near Hot Springs, arkansas. There was no skid marks on the road on the top of the cliff indicating that they had not slowed down before flying off of it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, because she decided we're just never going to get there, fuck it, I'm just going to drive off this cliff here. I am sick of driving.
Speaker 3:I have had it. I'm getting out of this car. They did not slow down before flying off either, because they could not see or understand that they were driving off a cliff. I mean, first of all, they were from Texas. I don't think they have cliffs in Texas, like probably I've never been to.
Speaker 2:Texas. She was like oh, what's down there? Check it out really quickly Our dark side of sense of humor is shining through.
Speaker 3:Or because at least one of them was suicidal. I don't believe that one either.
Speaker 2:I don't believe that, no, no, I. I don't believe that one either. I don't believe that. No, no, I definitely don't think that was the case.
Speaker 3:No, they weren't going to Thelma and Louise it.
Speaker 2:And you're not going to drive hundreds of miles.
Speaker 3:To drive off a cliff, yeah.
Speaker 2:Just turn the gas on the stove and close the windows yeah.
Speaker 3:Or sit down with crab legs and popcorn shrimp.
Speaker 2:Well, that's your dream.
Speaker 3:That is my dream, that's your dream. I told somebody at work that today she came over and was like you know, Acme's having their seafood sale tomorrow? And I was like really, I can't eat crab meat. And she was like, oh. I was like not until it's my time, Not until I'm ready to leave the earth.
Speaker 2:Yes, and I swear to God, if you do it without me, I'm not calling 911. I just want to watch.
Speaker 3:You want to watch me die? I hear it's a horrible death.
Speaker 2:We'll find out. See, you need somebody to watch to see if it was horrible.
Speaker 3:You better bring a gun. I got a report back and a bullet.
Speaker 2:In case it goes bad, I'm not shooting you, okay, that's fair.
Speaker 3:Yeah, how about a hose? And then you just stick the hose in the door. Maybe I'll hook the hose up just in case.
Speaker 2:Okay, you can be like dr kevorkian it oh yeah, yeah, I'd assist, okay, yeah, sounds good I love it, although this house has a garage, so I just do it here. There you go you know, until you inherit it, that won't be long she's decided she's dying next year.
Speaker 3:So, yeah, I, I don't know why she, they made us because, okay, here's the thing my parents, my mom is a little italian lady. First of all, I have to lecture her because she's got like I don't know, the half the cabinet in there is Ziploc bags of all sizes, shape sizes. She's got three things of wax paper. Who in the hell uses wax paper?
Speaker 2:to begin with. I mean I do, but I've had the same box probably for 10 years.
Speaker 3:Okay, so she has also, but she also has two new ones too.
Speaker 2:And they're all open oh.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and then she's got like Ziploc bags in every shape size there's generic, there's Ziploc, there's the whole gamut, there's gallon, there's freezer sandwich, they're all open. And I just cleaned this shit out. Like two months ago I got in there and I said do not buy any more sandwich bags. And I took her down and now she's back up because she's been buying sandwich bags, because she says her down and now she's back up because she's been buying sandwich bags Because she says I never know when I'm going to need them. You don't need that many.
Speaker 2:There are two of them here. How many things do they need to bag up she?
Speaker 3:told me today a lot, oh, okay, and then she tried to give me used tinfoil. Anyway, they made Nicole dinner Because Nicole's here, they made her dinner. They do love me, they do they hate me. I don't know. Nicole might be in the will and not me. You might have to let me live in this house. I would Thanks. Yeah, anyway, back to our story.
Speaker 3:Yeah yeah, um. Tony scalzo, who is the lead singer, the front man for um fastball, read about the case right after the couple was reported missing, but before their bodies were found, his fascination turned into the lyrics. For the way he said it's a romanticized take on what happened. The howards children that's a romanticized take on what happened. The Howard's children that's a romanticized take on what happened. The Howard's children reported that they were happy the couple was together when they died. He explained the meaning by saying these people are gone and their kids are all adults. It's their lives. They're probably just trying to get back that flavor of young love and adventure. Let's go. We don't have to tell anybody where we're going. What business is that of theirs?
Speaker 3:So the Way peaked at number one on the US Billboard Modern Rock Tracks chart in April of 98 and remained there for seven weeks. It also reached number one in Canada on the week of June 15, 1998, and topped the RPM Alternative 30 chart for four weeks. Worldwide the song peaked at number seven in Sweden and entered the top 20 in Australia, iceland and Norway. The song was voted by VH1 as one of the 100 greatest songs of the 90s, ranking it as number 94. I do love that song.
Speaker 2:I do too, and I like that it's in the top 100.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's a cool song, it's a good.
Speaker 2:Great music, yeah, great lyrics.
Speaker 3:It's a little catchy.
Speaker 2:And then, when you know the story, it's even better.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, it is a crazy story.
Speaker 2:But, you know, yeah, and I remember thinking years ago maybe they, you know, drove off the cliff together, suicide. But once you hear the whole story you're like no, that's not what was happening.
Speaker 3:I think they just got lost and confused.
Speaker 2:It might have been nighttime, I mean, nobody knows when they drove off.
Speaker 1:We could have driven off the side of a mountain.
Speaker 3:We could have, we would have never known we might have driven off a cliff, and we don't know we're dead. Yeah, maybe. And we don't know we're dead. Yeah, maybe we're bringing you this podcast from the other side.
Speaker 2:From hell.
Speaker 3:This podcast is from the depths of hell, because we are not going to heaven. I don't even want to go to heaven. Hell, no.
Speaker 2:All the fun people are in hell.
Speaker 3:Exactly, there's no gambling, there's nothing good, yeah, no drugs, no drinking.
Speaker 2:No gambling. You can't be gay, you can't have tattoos.
Speaker 3:Sounds stupid.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I want to be where the gay people are.
Speaker 3:Right, I want to be where the gay people are. So the next one this story I hate. So the podcast I listen to right now currently I'm binging is called my Favorite Murder Okay. And it's a comedy about true crime and you know, basically it's what got you in the beginning of it. It was what got you into true crime, like what was the crime that?
Speaker 2:did it for you.
Speaker 3:And they do a comedy podcast on murders. They just do murders of all sorts and I had heard about this one actually on the last podcast, and the left too, but my favorite murder did it and I think more of it Everybody has done that, anyway. Okay, the song is Suffer Little Children. The Smiths, oh, yeah.
Speaker 3:So it was included on the smiths album in february of 84 and it's a b-side to the may 84 single. Heaven knows, I'm miserable now. I hate morrissey. Fyi, she really does. I love the smiths and I hate morrissey. It's the weirdest thing. I can't stand him. I just want to punch him in the face. He's such an arrogant prick. I love him. I like the Smiths, I don't like Morrissey on his own.
Speaker 3:I just think he's a jackass Anyway. So the song is about the Moores murders that took place on the Saddleworth Moor, which overlooks Manchester, between 1963 and 1965, committed by Ian Brady and Myra Henley. This story is nuts. These two are nuts, I don't think I know this story, oh boy so.
Speaker 3:I'm just going to briefly because this is not a murder podcast. It is one of the more fascinating, I think, couple murderers like how do you find that out about your significant other? Like are you out on a date? And you're like you know what I like to do?
Speaker 3:murder children how do you feel about that? Like, how do these people find each other? It's scary, yeah. So. So Myra claims that she was Like how do these people find each other? It's scary, yeah. So Myra claims that she was coerced into it. Of course, but there's a little bit of evidence that says that's probably not 100% true. Maybe, but I don't think so. Anyway, the bodies of two of the victims were discovered in 1965 in graves dug on Saddleworth Moor. A third grave was discovered there in 1987, more than 20 years after Brady and Henley's trial. They killed five kids. They took this is the okay, so they I'm going to do this from memory, because I didn't really actually look up the so they would.
Speaker 2:Oh, I did actually do that you sound like me, I did. I remember now writing that was such a me thing to do so.
Speaker 3:It's because you have my microphone, I think so it's not me, it's the microphone.
Speaker 3:I thought I put it in there. Okay, no, that's not me, it's the microphone. I thought I put it in there. Okay, no, that's probably Okay, anyway, anywho. So what they did was they would pull up on their first victim was Myra's sister's friend. They're all school age kids. She was like 12, 13 or 16, something like that. So they pull up on her and they say, hey, get in, I lost my glove. It's a very expensive glove, can you come help us find it? And because the girl knew her, she said, cool, yeah. So then they drove her out to the moor and Myra sat in the car and then he took out and raped and killed her. And then they did this four more times with four more children Boys, girls, it was a little bit of both. There was no Right. So they took them out and then they buried them in the moor.
Speaker 3:So the fucked up part and you can see these pictures they go and picnic on the graves of these children with their little picnic basket and their dog and there's pictures of like they take photos and all kinds of stuff of them sitting on the graves of these children. That they murdered, oh my gosh, yeah, and that's why I say like, okay, you know, was she real, because she's smiling in all the pictures. Right, she didn't kill any of them, but she helped Laura. He did all the killing.
Speaker 2:Well, that's how the Ken and Barbie murders were. I don't think she murdered any, although the first victim was her sister.
Speaker 3:That is one fucked up story. They are nuts and she got away with it.
Speaker 2:yes, and she was just as guilty, like she was just as bad, she was not influenced well, see.
Speaker 3:So what they call it is um, it's called queen for the day. So if you're involved, if there's two of you involved, in a murder plot.
Speaker 3:They give one immunity, of course, and they call it queen for a day. So, whatever you can say and tell them every little solitary thing under the planet, and you are not held responsible for it until they get, you'll get immunity, right, queen for the day, unless this has changed because of them. Well, they were in Canada also, so you get queen for the day, so she could tell everything that happened, but she failed to mention that they recorded it all and then, after they gave her her immunity, they found the tapes and found she was much more involved than they thought. Carla Homoka yeah, she has been released, she's out. Yeah, I don't understand that. Yeah, she has been released, she's out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't understand that. Yeah, but what do I know?
Speaker 3:Yeah, oh, I did see, it's right there. Good, they lured the children out with the guys finding Myra's glove At the time of their deaths. Many of the victims were only a few years older than Morrissey at the time. He was born in 59. And he wrote the lyrics of the song after reading a book about the murders. Although five children were murdered in the Morris case, only three are named in the song John Kilbride oh John, you'll Never Be a man. Leslie Ann Downey. Leslie Ann with your Pretty White Beads. And Edward Evans Edward, see those alluring lights.
Speaker 3:The murders of Keith Bennett and Pauline Reed were not attributed to Myra Henley and Ian Brady until 1985, after Suffer Little Children had already been released. The Manchester Evening News reported that relatives of the Moore's murder victims had taken exception to the lyrics in which three of the victims are mentioned. Some newspapers also claim that the single sleeve photo of Viv Nicholson was intended to resemble Myra Hindley. Subsequently, boots and Woolworth which Boots apparently is a store like Woolworth's withdrew both the album and the single from sales. Morrissey later established a friendship with Ann West, the mother of Moore's victim, leslie Ann Downing. After that she accepted the band's intentions were honorable.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was thinking it is a flattering thing that, like your children are immortalized in a song. That's probably because nobody fucking likes Morrissey.
Speaker 3:Literally anybody else they'd be like oh that's very nice of you, but you're fucking Morrissey and a total fucking dick, so there.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:My next one is Nirvana's Polly. The song was written about the trigger warning. No-transcript, no-transcript. So how do you get?
Speaker 2:good behavior.
Speaker 3:But he escaped twice, right? Shouldn't you get more time for escaping? Yeah, he didn't.
Speaker 2:I don't agree with shortening. I watch. Sorry to intervene, but Signs of a Psychopath has been our new obsession. We like to watch that at bedtime, except you have to read, because a lot of it's they're short, they're only like 22 minutes but it's stories that you know, but it's just actually like the interview with the person who committed it and I forgot where I was going with this. So, oh, you don't like it. Like these people should never be set free. Like they should get lifetime sentences because they're crazy and they're smart and they're manipulative. So of course they're doing well in prison and of course they found God and of course they have done all the things they're supposed to do because they want to get back out so they can murder more people.
Speaker 3:Yes, so I think they do have a rule that if you're under a certain age it depends too if you're tried as an adult. What they're trying to do is, if you are convicted of a life sentence and you were under like 21, then that is considered like a special circumstance and they're trying to pass it so that you can get out at some point.
Speaker 2:And see, I don't agree with that either. If a 14-year-old boy kills his 10-year-old neighbor, that kid is Well and in that case I agree with you.
Speaker 3:but, like sometimes I think, if it's like a one-off or, oh or you killed your parents or something you know, because they were abusing you like I think it's for special circumstances.
Speaker 2:You did a heinous thing, you killed your parents, but yeah, but I still think if they're under age, particularly quite young 12, 13, 14 they let them out. Um, they've been showing signs since they were like three when they started killing animals, so yeah, there's also the head injury.
Speaker 3:Actually, I heard this is crazy today. So there's three things Bedwetting for serial killers, bedwetting head injury as a child and torturing animals.
Speaker 2:Yes, those are three signs that you're probably going to see. Well, bedwetting is a big sign of sexual abuse.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 2:So a lot of times that can be what triggers.
Speaker 3:Most of these serial killers have had a shitty lot in life. And it's not a surprise that they became serial killers, and so the head injury part of it makes a lot of sense, because you become a different person after a head injury.
Speaker 2:Yes, and especially in a developing brain. Exactly.
Speaker 3:So I heard actually today, you know, because there's been speculation of why are there not as many serial killers as there were in the 70s and 80s?
Speaker 2:Because it seems like there was a Because it was super easy to get away with it back then.
Speaker 3:Yes, Well one theory is that there was leaded gas and now there's not leaded gas anymore. Then the theory I heard today which makes a lot of sense is with the helicopter, parenting and stuff like that, everybody was forced to wear helmets. Every generation after us was forced to wear helmets all the time, so maybe head injuries weren't as extensive as they were prior to that, creating serial killers. Yeah, it's a good theory, so I thought that was interesting today.
Speaker 3:I was like oh, that makes a lot of sense. Obviously, there's still serial killers happening, but there's one in Canada, I think, right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but in the 70s there was no DNA, there were no cell phones, there weren't cameras, I mean you could. Literally there were hitchhikers, there were girls standing on the side of the road with their thumbs out saying let me get in your car. I know.
Speaker 3:So that's another thing that they always talk about. On all those, you know it's always hitchhikers and da, da, da, and I was thinking about it, and when I was little my dad would pick up hitchhikers all the time in the 70s, um, we also lived in a van, so you know there's that and he's they were hippies, but we also like had to hitchhike quite a few times, um, because my dad likes to take the gas tank down to no gas, which is where I get it from and we would run out of gas all the time, and then we would have to hitchhike.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there wasn't a gas station every quarter mile.
Speaker 3:And there's no cell phones. So if you couldn't, you'd have to walk to somebody's you know house and if they didn't let you in?
Speaker 3:to use their phone then, and if nobody answered the phone because they didn't let you in to use their phone, then, and if nobody answered the phone because they weren't home or whatever. So we had to hitchhike a few times and, um, but yeah, you shouldn't, it's, it's not a good idea, it's a very bad idea, terrible idea, yeah, so opportunity isn't there anymore, but there is a big project, um, going on right now because Canada has a real problem with missing indigenous women. So it's bad. So, yeah, I forget what it's called the project for missing indigenous women.
Speaker 3:I'll get into that later, because there is a song later that I have a soapbox about.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:I can't wait, okay, nirvana.
Speaker 2:Polly.
Speaker 3:And Gerald Friend. He was not in prison long enough. He was paroled in 1980. After his 1987 offense he was sentenced to another two 75-year terms at the Airway Heights Correction Center in Washington State.
Speaker 2:That sounds like a lovely prison. The.
Speaker 3:Airway Heights. Well, it was as cool as Walla Walla. They got some cool names here in Washington, so he got two 75-year terms for this. For June 1987, he abducted the 14-year-old girl at Knife Point when she accepted a ride after a rock concert. He repeatedly raped and tortured her while she was tied to a pulley suspended from the ceiling of his mobile home. Ugh, if you want to see here a sick, sick, just the one that has bothered me.
Speaker 3:Like I don't get bothered by a whole lot, and this one, like bothered me, it's called the toy box killer holy shit, he recorded this what he says to that he had them in like a um tractor trailer bed or tractor trailer thing and he had it was his torture room, he called it the toy box and he would play this, his recording over it. Uh, and, and they played it on last podcast online it is you can hear it, it's disturbing.
Speaker 3:So if you're into that kind of thing, the toy box killer will bother you. It's very upsetting. Um. So at night point the girl escaped by jumping from his truck at a gas station. Friend was stopped a day later for a traffic violation and arrested. When the deputies recognized him he was convicted of first degree kidnapping and rape. That august he was ordered to serve the remainder of his 1960 sentence in addition to a second 75-year sentence. The following year his second victim sued the state and the Department of Corrections for prematurely paroling Friend in 1980. Police in King County suspected Friend in the Green River Killer case oh, Mm-hmm, it wasn't him though. Oh okay and considered him a suspect in the murder of two girls in Tacoma in 1987. Also, what was up with the Pacific Northwest?
Speaker 3:Because, they had some many.
Speaker 2:That whole side of the country had a real serial killer problem. Oh yeah, the whole West.
Speaker 3:Coast. Yeah, they were thick with serial killers Ted Bundy and all.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they were thick, wasn't the Zodiac? Killer?
Speaker 3:No, yeah, zodiaciac, who's? The zodiac was california was california.
Speaker 2:Yeah, who's the guy who broke into couples houses and would tie the richard ramirez right yeah yeah, he was the um, not the golden state killer.
Speaker 3:Oh shit, maybe it was the golden state killer. It might have been the goal that's. I think he is they just they just caught the golden state killer a couple years ago.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, no, no, no, that's the old guy. Yeah, I think it's richard. It's not richard. No, because they caught richard ramirez back then.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Paul holes is the one, yeah and the one that they just the golden state killer they just caught is an old white guy.
Speaker 3:D'Angelo is his name.
Speaker 2:Isn't he a white guy? Yeah, but the other one was Hispanic, richard.
Speaker 3:Ramirez was a Hispanic.
Speaker 2:yes, Right right. Anyway, back to Polly, we're never going to get through this.
Speaker 3:We should just start a true crime because there's not enough true crime podcasts on the planet. So the song Polly it's a true story, said bassist Chris Novosleck in a 1991 interview. It's about a young girl who was abducted. The guy drove her around in his van, tortured her, raped her and the only chance she had of getting away was to come on to him and persuade him to untie her. That's what she did and she got away. Can you imagine how much strength that took?
Speaker 3:On its surface, polly may come across as insensitive and an exploitation of the victim, but that was never Cobain's intention. Instead, polly is trying to convey something deeper. It's exposed the harsh and disturbing reality of a rapist's thought pattern and the need to educate more men that rape is not acceptable. Polly was ranked number 18 in 2004. Polly was ranked number 18 in 2004's Top 20 Nirvana Songs list. In 2015, rolling Stone ranked it number 29 in their ranking of 102 Nirvana songs. In 2019, it was ranked at number 14 in the Guardians list of Nirvana's 20 Greatest Songs. In 2023, the AV Club ranked it at number 22 on their list of Nirvana's 30 best songs.
Speaker 3:According to Charles, our cross biography, heavier Than Heaven, american singer-songwriter Bob Dylan was impressed with Polly upon hearing the song while at a Nirvana concert, remarking of Cobain that that kid has heart. If you were some, oh, so that kid had heart. So here's my two cents. Not two cents, but so if you or someone you know is a survivor of rape, the RAINN National Sexual Assault Hotline is 1-800-656-HOPE, that's 656-4673. Or you can go to wwwrainorg. They also have a crisis text line where you can text hello or Ola to 741-741.
Speaker 1:So that's my PSA.
Speaker 3:Nice, yeah, it's a good organization. The next one, another of my least favorites sunday bloody sunday from youtube. Bloody sunday, or the bog side massacre, was a massacre on january 30th 1972 when british soldiers shot 26 unarmed civilians during a protest march in the Bogside area of Derry, northern Ireland. 13 men were killed outright and the death of another man four months later was attributed to gunshot injuries from the incident. Many of the victims were shot while fleeing from the soldiers and some were shot while trying to help the wounded. Other protesters were injured by shrapnel, rubber bullets or batons. Two were run down by British Army vehicles and some were beaten. All of those shot were Catholic. The march had been organized by the Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association to protest against internment without trial. The soldiers were from the 1st Battalion of the Parachute Regiment, the same battalion implicated in the Bally Murphy Massacre several months before. So clearly not good people.
Speaker 3:Bloody Sunday came to be regarded as one of the most significant events of the Troubles, which were an ethno-nationalist conflict in Northern Ireland that lasted for about 30 years, from the late 60s to 1998, also known internationally as the Northern Ireland. That lasted for about 30 years, from the late 60s to 1998. Also known internationally as the Northern Ireland conflict and they say it ended Good Friday with the Good Friday Agreement in 98. Although the troubles mostly took place in Northern Ireland, at times violence spilled over into parts of the Republic of Ireland, england and mainland Europe. So many civilians were killed by forces of the state in view of the public and the press. Wow, I know.
Speaker 2:We have one of those a week yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, you know, everybody should have a Second Amendment, right, mm-hmm? It says that in the Constitution, mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:It says other stuff in the Constitution too that we're just choosing to ignore. I mean, we just disregard that.
Speaker 3:First Amendment to get to that second one. So what do I know? Bloody Sunday fueled Catholic and Irish nationalist hostilities to the British Army and worsened the conflict. Support for the provisional Irish Republican Army rose and there was a surge of recruitment into the organization, especially locally. So U2's Sunday, bloody Sunday, was actually not the first. There is another version of it by John Lennon.
Speaker 2:Oh, I didn't know that I didn't either.
Speaker 3:Um, sunday, bunday sunday version of the song. Well, he had. John lennon had a song. I didn't look it up because I didn't care that much. Um, he has a song about bloody sunday called sunday, bloody sunday. I don't know if it's the same as theirs, or I would imagine it's not because U2 is Irish. Yeah, look it up on your own time. That's your homework for next week. Sunday, bloody Sunday.
Speaker 3:U2's version of the song is designed to transport the listener into 70s war-torn Ireland, where you're present watching the horror unfold as an observer. Their version of accounts are instead inspired by their passive-aggressive approach to the situation, with verses like how long must we sing this song, which signifies their anger towards the authorities' approach to the situation. However, that verse is immediately followed by because tonight we can be as one tonight, which signifies that the door is still open for a peace treaty. They also draw inspiration from the world-famous picture of Edward Daly being spotted protecting a group of survivors attending to an injured boy by waving a bloodstained handkerchief. In 2004, rolling Stone placed the song at number 268 on the list of the 500 greatest songs of all time. The song was re-ranked 272 on the magazine's 2010 version of the list In 2006,. Sunday Bloody Sunday was named the 18th greatest song of the 1980s. I don't know about that. The staff of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame selected Sunday Bloody Sunday as one of the 500 songs that shaped rock and roll. I don't know about that.
Speaker 3:I mean 500, I guess maybe because it's a lot of songs. The New Statesman listed it as one of the top 20 political songs and similarly, time named it one of the top 10 protest songs In 2019, I said, well, there's only 10.
Speaker 2:I was going to say how many protest songs are there.
Speaker 3:I guess 10. Rolling Stone ranked the song number 4 on their list of the 50 greatest U2 songs and in 2020, the Guardian ranked the song number 5 on their list of the 40 greatest U2 songs. I mean, it's an okay song.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I just think we've heard it so many times. So many times, so very many times and again.
Speaker 3:I'm not a fan of U2. No, you're not. I don't like Bono. I feel the same way about Bono as I feel about Morrissey. Really, yes, I do not. So my next one, guys, I tried to talk my mom earlier into coming on because we're here, and she said no. So I'm sorry, guys, you don't get that, although you probably wouldn't have been able to tell the difference between me and her voices, because that's how my sister got away with a lot of shit, because I sound just like her on the phone and we are five years apart. Like her on the phone and we are five years apart. So when I came home from delaware and was living at home again, yeah, she would get phone calls home and I answered them and pretended I was my mom you're such a good big sister and they never have.
Speaker 3:I've never, ever, ever told them ever the shit she did. So I'll tell you, because they don't listen and she doesn't either, so she doesn't care. So one time she was like I don't even know. So I was 18, 19. She would have been 14. So I get a phone call and I answer it. She had been in a slumber party in Ocean City and the mother calls and she says I, mrs Mickey da-da-da, and she never let me get in there. I was not my mom, well, yeah, that's her fault.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it is her fault. So she goes on. And how she caught the girls all smoking and da-da-da-da-da and I was just like that is terrible.
Speaker 1:And this is going on.
Speaker 3:I mean, that's all I could get in was oh no. So finally she was like, so I need everyone to come get their their daughters and I was like okay, so I hung the phone up and I get in the car now. At the time I was driving my lincoln, my 1982 lincoln continental. No, I don't think I had the lincoln then.
Speaker 2:I think I had the cavalier.
Speaker 3:I had the cavalier so I pull up and they're all all the girls are standing outside with their stuff on the sidewalk and I pull up and you can just see the relief wash over her face. So she gets in the car and I just looked at her and she's like, well, why are you here? And I was like because I took the phone call.
Speaker 3:And she was like mom doesn't know. And I was like no, and I was like here's what's going to happen you are going to do all my chores from now until I decide that you're not going to have to do them anymore, from now until I decide that you're not going to have to do them anymore. And I don't know what my mom was ever thinking when she'd be like Heather do the dishes, and my sister would pop up out of nowhere and be like, oh, I'll do them.
Speaker 1:Very enthusiastically.
Speaker 3:So I don't know if my mom was like I don't know what the fuck she did, but clearly it's been taken care of and she's being punished for it. So I'm not gonna, she never, and I've never told her don't ask, don't tell nope. I guess she figured that she's got it handled so I'm not gonna worry about what the problem is there was many times that that happened and the relief on my sister's face that happen and the relief on my sister's face was the best.
Speaker 2:Anyway, I should tell her kids that story.
Speaker 3:Yes, they would love that. Yes, maybe, well, so don't anybody tell my mom. Anyway, I was going to bring her up here because she's like Bruce Springsteen's number one fan. This is Bruce Springsteen's Nebraska, but she hates this album. She told me 12 times. In January of 1958, charles Starkweather, a 19-year-old from Lincoln, nebraska, met 13-year-old Carly Ann Fugate.
Speaker 2:Wait, how old was he?
Speaker 3:18. Okay, 19. She was 13. 18. Okay 19. She was 13. And soon the young couple went on a murderous spree across Nebraska and Wyoming between November of 57 and January of 58.
Speaker 2:All right, she was probably influenced by him. I'm just going to go out on a shot, a long shot, here at 13. All right, complete, continue your story. That look is saying otherwise.
Speaker 3:Okay. On January 21st 1958, starkweather went to Fugate's home. Fugate's mother and stepfather, velda and Marian Bartlett, told him to stay away. He fatally shot them. Then clubbed them to death oh no. Then clubbed to death their two-year-old daughter, betty Jean oh yeah. He hid the bodies in an outhouse and chicken coop behind the house. Starkweather later said that Fugate was there the entire time, but she said that when she arrived home Starkweather met her with a gun and said that her family was being held hostage. She said Starkweather told her that if she cooperated with him her family would be safe. Otherwise they would be killed. A note reading everybody is sick with the flu. The pair was stuck to the window and the pair remained in the house until shortly before the police, who were alerted by Fugate's suspicious grandmother, arrived.
Speaker 3:On January 27th, starkweather and Fugate drove to the farmhouse of 78-year-old August Mayer, one of the family's friends, who lived in Bennett, nebraska. Starkweather killed him with a shotgun blast to the head. The pair drove their car into the mud and then abandoned it because they got stuck. When Robert Jensen and Carol King not the same Carol King two local teenagers stopped to give them a ride, starkweather forced them to drive back to an abandoned storm cellar in Bennett. He shot Jensen in the back of the head. He attempted to rape King, but King put up too much resistance for him to do so. He became angry with her and fatally shot her as well. Good for her, though. Yes, well, they tell you fight. Yeah, because you're going to die anyway.
Speaker 3:Exactly Might as well go down fighting yeah, never, never go to the second location. No, never no fight to the death there, because if you, if they get you in the car and you go to a second, it's way worse yeah, and I never understand why people don't just jump out of cars.
Speaker 2:Once they have passed your turn and you're heading to a desolate area, jump out.
Speaker 3:So you know how much I want to be carjacked.
Speaker 3:Yes, because I have a plan, first of all kids, if you get carjacked, which probably is not a thing anymore, but it was the carjacker never puts their seatbelt on, so wreck your car, like, take a turn and send them through the windshield because they do not put their seatbelts on. Yep, wreck your car, yep. Second of all, that would be plan b for me, but we're going to a second location. If you carjack me, we're going to a second location and you should know the rule of don't let anyone take you to a second location, because it's not going to go well for you. And if you're carjacking, probably no one's going to miss you and no one's going to report you missing, yeah. So Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm. Yeah, anywho, mm-hmm. So he killed her. So Fugate Starkweather later admitted shooting Jansen but claimed that Fugate. Starkweather later admitted shooting Jensen but claimed that Fugate shot King. Fugate said she stayed in the car the whole time. The two fled Bennett and Jensen's car. Starkweather and Fugate drove to a wealthy section of Lincoln where they entered the home of industrialist Chester Larrard Ward and his wife Clara Starkweather stabbed their maid Lumilla to death. Clara arrived first alone and was also stabbed to death. Starkweather later admitted to having thrown a knife at Clara but insisted that Fugate had stabbed her numerous times, killing her. When Laura Ward returned home that evening, starkweather shot and killed him. While Starkweather shot and killed him, while Starkweather and Fugate were in the house, the Ward's newspaper arrived and they cut out the front page which was pictures of themselves, oh and Fugate's dead family.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, it is pretty exciting when you make the newspaper.
Speaker 3:I always cut it out when I was in the newspaper too and you put it in your scrapbook. Yes, this is what scrapbook. Yes, this is what we did.
Speaker 3:Yes, these pictures were found on them later, casting doubt on Fugate's claim that she didn't know her family was dead. You can't really say you didn't know your family was dead when you're carrying around the article that says, hey, your family's dead, yeah, and your picture's there? Yeah, and your picture's there, yeah. After several sightings, starkweather and Fugate were reported. The Lincoln Police Department was accused of incompetence for being unable to capture the pair. Vigilante gangs were formed and local sheriff Merle Kampoff started forming a posse by arming men he found in bars which is always a good idea, yeah, to start your own posse and armed people in bars, yes. Needing a new car because of Ward's Packard having been identified.
Speaker 3:The couple came upon traveling salesman Merrill Collision sleeping in his Buick along the highway outside Douglas Wyoming, which also is a terrible idea. After Collision was awakened, he was fatally shot. Starkweather later accused Fugate of performing a coup de grace. After his shotgun jam, starkweather claimed Fugate was the most trigger-happy person he had ever met. Fugate denied ever having killed anyone and has always maintained that Starkweather was holding her hostage by threatening to kill her family, claiming she was unaware they were already dead. Judge Harry A Spencer did not believe her and determined that she had numerous opportunities to escape. I mean, on that, there is such a thing as Stockholm.
Speaker 1:Syndrome.
Speaker 3:So you know it's hard for them to escape. If, if he had, you know yeah, and she was 13. Yes, starkweather was convicted after the jury deliberated for only 22 hours for the murder of jensen, which 22 hours seemed like a really freaking long time, like most of these time you're here.
Speaker 2:Like the jury deliberated for 37 minutes and then they came back and were like hanging, Probably because she was 13 and some people had issue. Oh that's true.
Speaker 3:Well, that was just his trial, oh, the only. For the murder of Jensen, the only murder for which he was tried. On May 23rd 1958, he was sentenced to death and he was executed in the electric chair at the Nebraska State Penitentiary in Lincoln, nebraska, at 12.04 am on June 25, 1959.
Speaker 2:Damn they didn't waste any time back then.
Speaker 3:No, they did not Fugate was convicted as an accomplice and received a life sentence on November 21, 1958. She was paroled in June of 1976 after serving 17 and a half years at the Nebraska Correctional Center for Women in York, Nebraska. She settled in Hillsdale, Michigan, where, oh and so she End of sentence. The next sentence is they are the inspiration for the movie Natural Born Killers.
Speaker 2:Oh, yes, okay, I love that movie.
Speaker 3:So Nebraska. The song is about them and has appeared on several Springsteen releases since its initial appearance. A live version with full instrumentation appeared on live 1975 to 1985. In 2003, the song was included on the compilation album the Essential Bruce Springsteen. The song also appears in a segment of the video VH1 Storytellers. It's also my mom's least favorite album of Bruce.
Speaker 2:Springsteen. The only song she likes on it is Atlantic City. Yes, she told us that at she did.
Speaker 3:It is um, so nebraska is a big departure from bruce springsteen okay, his normal stuff. It's very like um almost alternative. Yeah, it's, it's very um not bruce britt scene, right it's. It's a good I I actually like. That's probably why she doesn't like it, because I like it right yeah, so you should it's, but natural born killers is based on those two.
Speaker 3:Okay, and that is one of my favorite movies of all time and I meant to watch it before we recorded, but then I forgot Because I love that movie so much, even though I don't like Woody Harrelson.
Speaker 2:What is wrong with you? I don't know. There's something very wrong.
Speaker 3:So the next couple I'm oh wait, there is one more that I want to talk about, but we'll get to this one first. So judas priest has a song called the ripper, and you'll never guess who that's about. Um, an early judas priest track from their second album, the ripper, is a brief recounting of the crimes of uh jack the ripper and they think that they just they did, they did figure it out okay dna yeah yeah, okay, I wasn't sure if it had been for sure it's not a hundred percent, but the dna came back
Speaker 3:okay it's, yeah, all but a done deal and it was who they thought it was yeah, yeah, um. So jack the ripper did his dirty work in the 1800s and was never caught until well, obviously he's not caught because he's dead.
Speaker 2:But yeah, they do think it was descendants get to live with that.
Speaker 3:I mean they had to because he was one of their main suspects.
Speaker 1:So they had to know it was him.
Speaker 3:Anyway, there is some debate on whether or not Judas Priest meant it as Jack the Ripper, because it's just called the Ripper If it was Jack the Ripper or the Yorkshire Ripper.
Speaker 1:Because the Yorkshire.
Speaker 3:Ripper, I believe was after Jack the Ripper. Then we have this. One's going to be my soapbox. Okay, tom Waits, georgia Lee. On August 13th 1997, a young girl named Georgia Lee Moses went missing from California. A few days later, on August 22nd, she was found in South Pataloma dead in a grove of trees. Her killer was never found, just 12 years old when she passed away. The story touched Tom Waits so much that he penned the song. Georgia Lee. Waits does well to reflect the story's crucial elements of neglect, poverty and the failure of society to protect its most vulnerable members. On top of that, his raw and emotive delivery forces you to confront the uncomfortable truths of social indifference and the need for compassion towards those in dire circumstances. It happened a few years, so this is the part that's. It's really fucking annoying.
Speaker 3:It happened a few years after the death of poly class okay and so poly class, like the whole state of california, shut down to try and find her because she was a little white girl. No disrespect to poly class and her family, but georgia lee moses was a little black girl and, um, she did not get the same media coverage because they said she was probably just a runaway. Yeah, so this is soapbox time.
Speaker 2:So when Gabby Patino went missing, that's exactly the first person I thought of when you said that. Yes.
Speaker 3:There was another girl that went missing around the same time who has not ever been found. They have not found that girl, and I should have. I meant to check to see what her name was too, and that's even the problem. So you know Gabby Patino, but you don't know this girl's name, and that is the problem, because they're just cast aside. And a lot of these serial killers can get away with this shit because they're marginalized people that they call them in the true crime circles. They call these people the less dead because police don't put the time and effort into it. Nobody gives a shit about sex workers going missing and drug addicts going missing and everything.
Speaker 3:So they're called the less dead and that's why I say that there is the missing and indigenous women in Canada and that's a. You know, it's just. It's just. If you're a little white girl, yeah, you get a lot more attention especially if you're a blonde, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's unfortunate because there's a lot of there's a lot of cases that probably could be solved it's awful with a little and something else that you said in there.
Speaker 2:That also annoys me is so many times people reach out and say their kid is missing, or even an adult. But if it's a kid, oh, they probably ran away. If you don't hear from her in like 48 hours, call me. This is my child. Okay, I know they didn't run away.
Speaker 3:Luckily they have gotten better about that. But in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s yeah, you were just a runaway and call me back in three days if they don't show up.
Speaker 2:Or an adult doesn't show up to work and leaves their dog at home and doesn't answer calls from so and so and they're like, well, they're adults. Maybe they just took a vacation and didn't tell anybody who the fuck does that Like? That's your go-to.
Speaker 3:Well, because, as an adult, you're allowed to just disappear. You are, so you can walk away from your life.
Speaker 2:You, absolutely 1 million percent, can, but how? What's the percentage of people that do that versus?
Speaker 3:And you're not going to walk away from your dog. That to me is the big red flag. If you just walked away from your dog or your pets or whatever, very few people do that.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 3:Or oh, her purse is here and oh well, she probably doesn't run away away. You don't leave without your purse, right even if you don't want to be found. Your id, your wallet, your phone, like yeah yeah, I mean, I would leave my phone if I was walking away from my life, so nobody could track me. True, but you're gonna take, but again, how many?
Speaker 2:people just walk away from their life. That's what I'm saying, though, is it? It's probably more likely.
Speaker 3:When I do it, I move, I'm not going to walk away from it all.
Speaker 2:Just tell me where you are, that's all no. I'm going to be a runaway. Stop it, okay.
Speaker 3:So I have two more that are just quick Because they're pretty obvious. Ted, just admit it by Jane's Addiction, it's about Ted Bundy, my favorite serial killer. See, I'm not a fan.
Speaker 2:I'm a huge Ted Bundy fan.
Speaker 3:I'm a huge Ted Bundy fan.
Speaker 2:Ted Bundy is one of those that's pretty crazy, because he was typically handsome. I was going to say I think I do have a small weird crush on him.
Speaker 3:A lot of people do yeah, and that's how he got away with it, because he was, I mean and Rule for one thing. And Rule sat beside the man every day, forever. And Rule sat beside the man every day, forever. They released the fact that they knew the serial killer's name was Ted and that he drove a gold bug. And she sat next to him and knew he drove a gold bug and did not believe it was him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, I love Ann Rule.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she's great. Her books are great, mm-hmm. So yeah, that's about Ted Bundy. Okay, jenny Was a Friend of Mine by the Killers is a song written like an interrogation for the murder of Jennifer Levin by her boyfriend. Hmm, this one, this one's fucking crazy. This song is about who is considered to be the grandmother of school shootings. I Don't Like Mondays by the Boomtown Rats was inspired by the crimes of Brenda Ann Spencer.
Speaker 3:On January 29th 1979, brenda Ann Spencer opened fire on an elementary school across the street from her house. She injured nine students and killed two administrators. When asked for her reasoning and motive for the crime, she responded I don't like mondays. So a cop ended up saving a lot more kids because he commentated a garbage truck and put it in front of her house so she couldn't shoot, and then it was really bad. The whole thing is very kind of sad. She had mental problems and her father was an alcoholic and there's some speculation that they lived in a house that was littered with liquor bottles and pills and the only bed in the place was a twin bed on the floor in the living. So take from that what you will. And someone said she needed to go to a mental institution they that they really thought she was going to become a problem and instead he bought her a 22 caliber rifle oh okay which she ended up shooting out the window of her house because she didn't like mondays.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so it's fair yeah, um, an execution by suzy and the banshees was likely inspired by the crimes of countess elizabeth bathery I fucking love her.
Speaker 3:Between 1595 and 1609, hungarian countess elizabeth bathery tortured and killed anywhere between 65 and 650 young girls and women. She is considered to be the world's most prolific female murderer, and even though her true number of her victim is undetermined so she lived in this castle they banished her to this castle, okay, and she was crazy. She was batshit crazy, like if she were to be tried today she would go into mental institution because, she did not know she was doing wrong, I don't think.
Speaker 3:Oh, so what she did was she would hire all of these servants and she thought that she had to bathe in blood to either keep her youth or something. So she would kill them and drain their blood into the bathtub Her and this other maid she had a. I guess the maid was like you're not going to kill me. She drained their blood into a bathtub and she'd bathe in their blood and then she just tossed them out. So the whole town went missing, like all the girls in the town went missing, because they would send them there to work and then they just never came back and they found all this shit in her yeah, she's fascinating. And then they just never came back and they found all this shit in her.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she's fascinating and she is considered to be like one of the first on record serial killers. She's batshit crazy and they walled her up and it didn't help. So that's that about that. My favorite serial killer isn't really a serial killer, because serial it's a very specific definition of serial killer.
Speaker 3:You have to kill more than three. There has to be a cooling off period. Yes, blah, blah, blah. Ed Gein hands down. The man was batshit crazy. He only killed, I think, I think, three, two or three, and he's the one that that buffalo bill from silence of the lambs is based on right, also leatherface right um, because he, you know he went grave robbing and skinned people and made belts and cool stuff that you can see online.
Speaker 3:But he was put in the mental because he didn't know what he was doing was wrong and you know, I mean, they were already okay. You shouldn't kill two people, three people, that was probably not right. But what are them other dead people doing? But just laying there? Yeah, exactly why not become a lamp, yeah, or a belt, a lovely belt for real what do I know?
Speaker 2:I'm sure human flesh makes fine leather.
Speaker 3:They used to make um, they used to make human flesh books. Yeah, doctors used to to make the books out of human flesh, and but that's not creepy it's very hard to get one not that I tried to find one, but it is. They're not legal I would imagine yes, so you have to go on the dark web for that. Okay, so that was um, that was my fun that was fascinating.
Speaker 3:I love that I liked, I like to tell I I heard the fastballs the way and I was like oh, I wonder how many other songs, because I never really thought about it. And then, when I googled it, there are. There are so much more than just the ones I picked. I had, but this has already gone on for so long and I was like we'll be here all day if I talk about them all, so I just thought they were. It was a good topic and I love true crime.
Speaker 2:Yeah, me too, and music, yes, it's a good combination.
Speaker 3:It is Now if you all want to know what you're listening to actually listen to. You know a lot of these songs because on tiktok they do where it's like have you ever actually listened to the words to this song?
Speaker 2:oh yeah, and most of the time you're like I did not know that yeah, I'll even know all the words to the song, but I never put them together I just sang them yeah right, yeah, it's crazy yeah uh, so that's that about that, all right, okay, um, thanks for listening.
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