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Speaker 1:We're having a blast. Teenage dreams, neon screens, it was all rad. You know what I mean. Like you know, it's like whatever. Together forever. We've never done this, ever Laughing and sharing our stories. Clever, we'll take you back. It's like whatever.
Speaker 2:Welcome to Like Whatever a podcast for, by and about Gen X. I'm Nicole and this might be FFF Heather. Hello, so today is my 16th wedding anniversary is also tax day. It is just a coincidence. We didn't do it that way on purpose, they did. We got married in vegas in the little chapel of the flowers.
Speaker 2:Yes and heather was there I was, a handful of our friends were there. It was fun, um, but yeah, uh, so we just had a lazy day today. Um, we're gonna wait and celebrate on saturday, because it's gonna be like 80 and sunny outside on saturday. Is it gross? So we're gonna do something outside on saturday, I think. But anyway, today we laid around and watched finished season three of White Lotus. It's excellent. Very dark, very good. I like it.
Speaker 1:I've never seen it, any of it.
Speaker 2:It's a good one.
Speaker 1:Yep. I don't have anything going on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know, it's just more of the same.
Speaker 1:Every day is a new adventure, oh well, in life and at work. So yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2:So we're just not going to have.
Speaker 1:I have a lot today, this is a lot. Yep, yep, I have a lot today, this is a lot.
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Speaker 1:So yeah, I didn't. So she sent me a new template for our script and I don't know why I can't use it. I don't know why it just refuses. It's okay, I'll just keep sending it to her every few weeks and be, like hey, I made a new template, you really should send it again, because I think I might have deleted that email. Okay so you probably should, because I don't know, I'm dumb.
Speaker 2:Anyway, I can do that Today I do.
Speaker 1:We're going to try and keep the chit chat to a minimum up front, because this is a topic that Heather is very passionate about you all are going to learn a lot about me today.
Speaker 2:Yes, she is a huge geek for this.
Speaker 1:So we're going to fuck around and find out about the Titanic. So this week is the anniversary of the sinking of the Titanic, if that's what you want to call it, an anniversary, april 14th, 191212, I'm just gonna. I mean, if you don't know what the fuck happened on the titanic, right, I don't know where you've been for the last hundred years, correct? But just briefly, the boat sinks. Yes, everybody gets on it. Not enough light boats, oh no the boat sinks.
Speaker 2:Oh, hitting an iceberg, don't forget that part. Oh yeah, hitting an iceberg. That's why it sinks.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so the band plays on. I don't know what else you need to know, but I know that you're probably asking, heather, how does this relate to being Gen X? Well, yeah, I'll tell you. Uh, first I'm gonna give you a little spoiler alert. Um, the wreck of the british ocean liner rms titanic lies at a depth of about 12 500 feet, about 325 nautical miles southeast off the coast of Newfoundland. It lies in two main pieces, about 2,000 feet apart. The vowel is still recognizable, with many preserved interiors, despite deterioration and damage sustained by hitting the sea floor. So well, first, I'm going to touch on it later, but I'll tell you why this A, it's the anniversary, and B because Nat Geo just put that thing out. Oh yeah, Fucking amazing.
Speaker 1:Oh it is, I'll talk about it later but it is.
Speaker 2:Is this the new footage from the exploration down there?
Speaker 1:They have completely. They call it a digital twin twin. So they completely remade the entire thing what yeah, and you can basically get like a view from any angle up down left center it's, it's the. The documentary was okay, it's pretty cool. I'm gonna watch it. Um, also, I'll touch on. I don't know if you all remember that is Gen X, but there was a movie called Titanic.
Speaker 2:Was there? Yeah, sounds familiar yeah.
Speaker 1:So the reason I say spoiler alert of where it is is because it took forever to find it. Nobody knew where it was. I mean, they knew where it was, but they couldn't find it because technology. But they couldn't find it because technology. So in the mid 1960s, a hosiery worker from Baldock, england, named Douglas Woolley, devised a plan to find the Titanic using a bath. A bath, I meant to look what this meant.
Speaker 1:I know what it means, I don't know how to say it. I'm asking is it's a deep sea submersible and raise the wreck by inflating nylon balloons that would be attached to her hull? The declared objective was to bring the wreck into liverpool and convert it to a floating museum. The titanic salvage company was established to manage the scheme, and a group of businessmen from west berlin set up an entity called titanic treasure to support it financially I did not know this.
Speaker 2:I'm just sitting over here with a crinkled brow, like nylon balloons.
Speaker 1:A oh, it gets better. Um. The project collapsed when its proponents found that they could not overcome the problem of how the balloons would be inflated I knew it, I knew it, I knew it was a flawed idea. A calculation showed that it could take 10 years to generate enough gas to overcome the water pressure. A variety of proposals to salvage the ship were made during the 70s. One called for 180,000 tons of molten wax, or, alternatively, vaseline, to be pumped into the Titanic, lifting her to the surface. Another proposal, wait what?
Speaker 2:proposal. How would that work? Uh, well, is vaseline buoyant, I guess?
Speaker 1:well, you see, I mean, it's not like getting your head stuck between the banister on the steps like just slip it right out of there and it'll pop back up to the surface so the reason why whales can swim freely is because they are the same density as water, okay, and if you are more dense than water, you sink. So the whole point of like those big cruise ships, they're all filled with air. That's how they, right, stay afloat. I don't know if maybe vaseline is the same density as water, okay, all right, maybe I don't know.
Speaker 2:I don't really know what the thought process is Well, you still gave a science A fun fact. There you go. Thank you for saving me from myself A whale fun fact, this one's good too.
Speaker 1:Another proposal involved filling the titanic with ping pong balls oh my god but overlooked the fact that the balls would be crushed by the pressure long before reaching the depth of the wreck. A similar idea involved the use of benthos gas glass spheres which could survive the pressure. It was scrapped when the cost of the number of spheres required was put at over 238 million dollars, and that was in the 70s. So wow, now, meanwhile, they don't even know where. They don't know where it is actually. So at this point, how do you?
Speaker 2:humans are so stupid sometimes. How do you devise a plan before you even know what you're dealing with?
Speaker 1:well, I guess they're like real. It's gotta be, because I don't think at this at this point. They don't have the technology to be able to find.
Speaker 2:They have a whereabouts well, exactly, but you said so yeah, 12,000. Oh, even worse.
Speaker 1:Yeah, an unemployed haulage contractor from Walsall named Arthur Hickey proposed to encase the Titanic inside an iceberg, freezing the water around the wreck in a buoyant jacket of ice. Ice being less dense than liquid water, would float to the surface and could be towed to shore also a great idea. The boc group calculated that this would require half a million tons of liquid nitrogen to be pumped down to the seabed. In his 1976 thriller raise the titanic, author, clive cussler's hero, dirk pitt, repairs the holes in the titanic's hull, pumps it full of compressed air and succeeds in making it leap out of the waves like a modern submarine blowing its ballast tanks and they still have no idea where it is, what condition it's in nor do they know that.
Speaker 1:And it did break into two, into two, because nobody finds that out until later. Yeah, that it broke into two. Yeah, there was a lot of. I'll get to that, okay, I think.
Speaker 1:Remind me if I don't yeah right Like I'm going to remember A scene depicted on the posters of the subsequent film of the book. Although this was an artistic simulation Highlight of film, made using a 55-foot model of the Titanic, it would not have been physically possible. At the time of the book's writing, it was still believed that the Titanic sank in one piece. I just said that, see, I know what I'm fucking talking about. No, you do. I dare you to find something I don't know about the Titanic.
Speaker 2:You can't. I won't try to do that.
Speaker 1:Robert Ballard of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution had long been interested in finding the Titanic, despite early negotiations with possible backers and being abandoned when it emerged that they wanted to turn the wreck into souvenir paperweights. Yeah, more sympathetic backers joined Ballard to form a company named Seasonics International LTD as a vehicle for recovering and exploring the Titanic. In October 1977, he made his first attempt to find the ship with the aid of the Aloqua Corporation deep sea salvage vessel Sea Probe. This was essentially a drill ship with sonar equipment and cameras attached to the end of the drilling pipe. It could lift objects from the seabed using a remote-controlled mechanical claw.
Speaker 2:Oh, you'd be good at that I would be really good at that. That's why you love the Titanic. One day you're going to save it from the crown of the claw. I'm going to make a claw machine out of it. All those free cigarettes paid off. I'm going to pick up the Titanic.
Speaker 1:Actually, you're not allowed to go to the Titanic anymore. Oh yeah, it's been declared a graveyard and you can no longer go. It's really deteriorating.
Speaker 2:I thought they were working on tourism.
Speaker 1:No, as far as I know, you can't go there anymore, and the submersibles and stuff. You're not allowed to do any of that anymore. I think that's why they did the 3D thing, so that they could. It's just dangerous at this point to have people going down to it and it's a graveyard. I don't know if you know this, but like 1,700 people died.
Speaker 2:Oh really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know about life though. Oh yeah, yeah. The expedition ended in failure when the drilling pipe broke, sending 3,000 feet of pipe and $600,000 worth of electronics plunging to the seabed, and the equivalent to that in 2024's money was $3,113,344. Leave it to humans. Yeah. In 1978, the Walt Disney Company and National Geographic magazine considered mounting a joint expedition to find the Titanic Using the aluminum subersible alumnot. The Titanic would have been well within the submersible's depth limits, but the plans were abandoned for financial reasons.
Speaker 2:Aluminum doesn't sound sturdy enough to go under that much pressure.
Speaker 1:You know, I know I can't crush aluminum. Well, I don't think they mean like a tin can. It's more than that, but I don't know. You think it'd have to be like I don't know. Yeah, I don't know how those things work. Me neither I don't know.
Speaker 1:It's, there's math that's why I'm not an engineer there's a lot of math involved that I don't know about. The next year, the british billionaire, financier and tycoon, sir james gold, set up SeaWise and Titanic Salvage LTD with the involvement of underwater diving and photographic experts. His aim was to use the publicity of Finding the Titanic to promote his newly established magazine Now Now.
Speaker 2:With an exclamation point. I've heard of that magazine Now.
Speaker 1:An expedition to the North Atlantic was scheduled for 1980, but was canceled due to financial difficulties A year later. Now folded after 84 issues with Goldsmith incurring huge financial losses, fred Kohler, an electronics repairman from Coral Gables, florida, sold his electronics shop to finance the completion of a two-man deep sea submersible called Seacopter. He planned to dive to the Titanic, enter the hall and retrieve a fabulous collection of diamonds rumored to be contained in the purser's safe. However, he was unable to obtain financial backing for his planned expedition. Another proposal involved using a semi-submersible platform mounted with cranes resting on two watertight supertankers that would winch the wreck off the seabed and carry it that sounds totally realistic.
Speaker 2:And they still don't know where it is right, they still don't know where it is. I'm glad all this brainpower, and probably a lot of money, has gone into planning how they're going to get it get something they can't even find, they can't find yeah okay on july.
Speaker 1:In july of 1980, an expedition sponsored by texas oil man jack graham, set off from port everglades, florida. That's another thing, it's in newfoundland maybe off boston or something right, like, at least get yourself halfway there. Uh, graham had previously. Graham had previously sponsored expeditions to find noah's ark, the loch ness, monster bigfoot and the giant hole in the north pole. You remember when there was a giant hole in the north?
Speaker 2:I don't yeah I, I do like that he's at least, uh, looking for things that are real. Now, although I do believe in lochness.
Speaker 1:I know I don't know that lochness is still around, but I do believe they could have been around and there could have been all right anyway actually the other day somebody did just not the other day, but I read it the other day but it's been like for the last six months or so someone did just find like an almost fully intact um, oh, what the hell is the name of that dinosaur? I know one of you will know it.
Speaker 2:Uh, sea growing it was a okay sea going. It was they called it the t-rex of the ocean well, my only issue with loch ness not that I don't believe in it or don't believe it couldn't be there, it just wouldn't have enough food where they were saying it was for enough of them to live there to still be reproducing, right. That's kind of like my whole thing. But with um, with the bigfoot, yeah, like siberia is a very big place you know, I come and go with bigfoot.
Speaker 1:I think I want to believe in bigfoot. I said to my dad one time I was like I mean, bigfoot has to be real right, because all of these cultures have a name for it. And he just, and he said to me yeah, they all have a name for god also. And and I was like shut your mouth, true true.
Speaker 2:I guess Loch Ness has the best chance of something like that being found, because there's so many sea creatures we don't know there's so much at the bottom, and very large sea creatures exist that we have no idea about, so maybe it's like a beached Loch.
Speaker 1:Ness. Maybe, that's what. I thought Maybe they just like to take trips to the lochs. I don't know. Family vacation? I don't know if lochs go to the ocean or what I don't know anything about lochs. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:But there's a lot of shit at the bottom of the ocean. Maybe those little smaller bodies of water are really warm, so it's like a spa for them. Although I feel like there it would be cold, yeah, but probably warmer than where they are if they're deep, that's true, and like they have no crushing pressure, like they couldn't take 80 90 degree water that would burn them, burn them up um, yeah, to raise funds for his titanic expedition he obtained sponsorship from friends with whom he had played poker.
Speaker 1:they'll bet on anything, so I believe. He sold media rights through the william morris agency, commissioned a book and obtained the services of orson wells to narrate a documentary. He acquired scientific support from columbia university by noting30,000 to the Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory for the purchase of a wide-sweep sonar in exchange for five years of use of the equipment and the services of technicians to support it. Doctors William BF Ryan of Columbia and Fred Spies of Scripps Institution of Oceanography in California joined the expedition as consultants. The expedition was almost canceled when Grimm asked them to use a monkey trained to point at a spot on the map to supposedly indicate where the Titanic was. The scientists issued an ultimatum it's either us or the monkey. Grimm preferred the monkey but was. But I get that but went with the scientists instead. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, I hope he kept the monkey as a pet, as a side project here. Monkey.
Speaker 1:Here's a map Where's Bigfoot? I mean, he would probably know more where bigfoot was, and he might, yeah, monkeys know it all. Yeah, exactly monkeys.
Speaker 2:Creep me out, I don't like monkeys I know my husband loves monkeys like he follows certain like. There's this monkey kiki, that like, and these crazy people that live like in uh tennessee somewhere and they have this big farm and they have baby camels and a big monkey cape entrapment not entrapment, I mean well, except these animals have a really good life, so yeah.
Speaker 2:But every time he shows me I'm like, oh yeah, I don't get it. It's like having a baby, a a toddler their entire life. That can rip your face off. Why would you want a pet that needs a toddler's worth of attention for its entire?
Speaker 1:lifespan and could rip your face off.
Speaker 2:No thanks, that's my thing. They're still wild animals. Cats and dogs are domesticated.
Speaker 1:For a very long time.
Speaker 2:Those animals are not domesticated and if they are, it's, like you said, probably less than a generation worth. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a no for me on the monkeys. Yeah, yeah, same, you gotta buy diapers. Yeah, if I didn't buy diapers, I would have had a kid.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:They fling their poop, yeah, and they can rip your face off.
Speaker 2:More importantly, I feel like it really is the most valid point and I'll stop. Yeah, okay, Okay.
Speaker 1:The results were inconclusive, as three weeks of surveying in almost continuous bad weather during July and August in 1980 failed to find the Titanic. You know, in the middle of hurricane season Mm-hmm In the North Atlantic.
Speaker 2:Excellent yeah.
Speaker 1:Smart. The problem was exacerbated by technological limitations. The c-mark sonar used by the expedition had a relatively low resolution resolution and was a new and untested piece of equipment. It was nearly lost only 36 hours after it was first deployed, so wheeze when the tail was ripped off during a sharp turn these guys, guys sound like the Three Stooges trying to find Everybody.
Speaker 2:They all sound like the Three Stooges trying to find it.
Speaker 1:Yes, it took a sharp turn, destroying the magnometer which would have been vital for detecting the Titanic's hull. Nonetheless, it surveyed an area of some 500 square nautical miles and identified 14 possible targets. A documentary of this expedition, featuring Wells, was titled Search for the Titanic in 1981. Grimm mounted a second expedition in June of 81 aboard the research vessel Geyer, with spies and Ryan again joining the expedition.
Speaker 2:So they signed on again To increase their chances of finding the wreck.
Speaker 1:The team employed a much more compatible sonar device. The scripts deep toe. The weather was again very poor, Okay, and they went in Hurricane. Oh Lord, have mercy, yeah. In Newfoundland All 14 targets were successfully covered and found to be natural features. On the last day of the expedition, an object that looked like a propeller was found. Grimm announced on his return to Boston that the Titanic had been found, but the scientists declined to endorse his identification. The object would never be seen again.
Speaker 1:She's gone so he swore he found it yeah and then it was just gone yeah, I think our president might be reincarnated documentary of this expedition featuring james shrewry was titled return to the titanic in 1981. This and the previous film were later combined to a single production in search of the Titanic.
Speaker 2:You keep blowing my mind, first of all because you keep saying 1980, 1981. I'm like, oh yeah, that wasn't that long ago. I'm like, man, that really isn't that long ago that we didn't know where the Titanic was. And then I'm like, oh, that was a long time ago. Forty years, yeah, titanic was. And then I'm like, oh, that was a long time ago, 40 years. Yeah, we're old now.
Speaker 1:Sorry well, and that's why this is all gen x related, because they found the exactly in our time.
Speaker 2:You are exactly right. It's like talking about world war ii when we were kids.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's nuts, it is sorry, gen x sorry I know I think they said that my birthday is closer to World War II than it is to today.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's crazy, right.
Speaker 2:It is Anyway, sorry, thanks.
Speaker 1:In July of 83, Grimm went back a third time with Ryan aboard the research vessel Robert D Conrad. The research vessel, the Robert D Conrad, which seems like a whole lot of name for a boat.
Speaker 2:They were trying to honor way too many people.
Speaker 1:Nothing was found and bad weather brought an early end to the expedition Like why do you keep going back in June, july and August?
Speaker 2:So that when they don't find it, they can be like, oh, it's the weather's fault.
Speaker 1:Although I don't know that, there is a nice time of year up there.
Speaker 2:Probably not, but they're probably better.
Speaker 1:I mean, I think they have like nor'easters and stuff in the winter.
Speaker 2:I'd imagine spring's pretty, but everything's probably frozen. Yeah, that might be why they do it in the fall.
Speaker 1:I mean, they could look for that. They have to wait for. You know what they should have done? They should have looked for the damn iceberg that had pieces of the titanic stuck to it. Yes, you're a genius, I know it's already been found, so okay, uh bad weather although they did not know it at the time.
Speaker 1:The sea mark had passed over the titanic but failed to detect it, while deep toe had passed within one and a half nautical miles of the wreck Mm-hmm, trifling Mm-hmm, the ship sank. It was clear that the position given in the Titanic's distress signals was inaccurate, which was a major expedition difficulty because it increased the search area's already expansive size.
Speaker 2:How dare they send a distress signal in an?
Speaker 1:inconvenient place In 1912, they didn't know exactly where they were going.
Speaker 1:Despite the failure of this of his 77 expedition, ballard had not given up on hope and had devised new technologies and a new search strategy to tackle the problem. The new technology was a system called argo jason. This consisted of a remote controlled deep sea vehicle called argo, equipped with sonar and cameras, and towed behind the ship with a robot called Jason yeah, and they were tethered together so it could roam the seafloor, take close-up images and gather specimens. The images from the system would be transmitted back to a control room on a towing vessel where they could be assessed immediately. Although it was designed for scientific purposes, it also had important military applications, and the United States Navy agreed to sponsor the system's development on condition that it was used to carry out a number of programs, many still classified. So the Navy commissioned Ballard and his team to carry out a month-long expedition every year for four years to keep Argo Jason in good working condition. It agreed to Ballard's proposal to use some of the time to search for the Titanic Once the Navy's objectives had been met. The search would provide an ideal opportunity to test Argo Jason.
Speaker 1:In 1984, the Navy sent Ballard and Argo to map the wreck of the sunken nuclear submarines the USS Thresher and the USS Scorpion. They were lost in the North Atlantic at depths up to 9,800 feet. The expedition found the submarines and made an important discovery about how shipworks behave as they sink. As Thresher and Scorpion sank, debris spilled out from them across a wide area of the seabed and was sorted by the currents Duh Duh yeah, and was sorted by the currents Duh Duh yeah, so the light debris drifted furthest away from the site of the sinking. The debris field was far larger than the wrecks themselves. By following the comet-like trail of the debris, the main pieces of wreckage could be found.
Speaker 1:A second expedition to map the wreck of Scorpion was mounted in 1985. Only 12 days search time would be left at the end of the expedition to look for the Titanic. As Harris Grimm's unsuccessful efforts had taken more than 40 days, ballard decided that extra help would be needed. He approached the French National Oceanography Agency, ifrm, which with Woods Hole had previously collaborated. The agency had recently developed a high-resolution side-scan sonar and agreed to send a research vessel.
Speaker 2:And they still haven't found it right. No Okay, but at least they're working on finding it. They're real close. Oh, I'm so excited.
Speaker 1:To survey the seabed in the area where the Titanic was believed to lie. The idea was for the French to use the sonar to find likely targets and then for the Americans to use Argo to check out the targets and hopefully confirm whether they were in fact the wreck. The French team spent five weeks, from theth of july to the 12th of august 1995, mowing the lawn, sailing back and forth across the 150 square nautical mile target area to scan the seabed in a series of stripes, but they found nothing oh my god, that sounds so tedious however, it turned out later that they had passed within a few hundred yards of the titanic in their first run.
Speaker 1:What ballard.
Speaker 1:This is suspenseful right that would so happen to me it's so suspenseful it is, I'm excited ballard realized that looking for the wreckage itself using sonar was unlikely to be successful, so he adopted a different tactic. Drawing on the knowledge gained during the searches for the submarine thresher and scorpion, he instead searched for the debris field using argos cameras rather than sonar. While sonar cannot distinguish human-made debris on the seabed from natural objects, cameras can. Oh, the debris field was also a far bigger target, stretching one nautical mile or longer, whereas the titanic itself was only 90 feet wide. The search required round-the-clock towing of argo's back and argo back and forth above the seabed, which shifts of watchers aboard the research vessel, nor looking at the camera pictures for any sign of debris. After a week's fruitless searching, at 1248 am on Sunday, september 1st 1985. Oh my God, pieces of debris began to appear on Noor's screens. One of them was identified as a boiler.
Speaker 2:That would be so satisfying.
Speaker 1:You can on that new Nat Ge nat geo thing he talks about it.
Speaker 2:I just want all the joy and, um uh, happy feeling.
Speaker 1:I don't want all the tedious work one of them was identified as a boiler identical to those shown in the pictures from 1911. The following day, the main part of the wreck was found and argo sent back the first pictures of the titanic since her sinking, 73 years before the discovery made headlines around the world. So so this was 83, 85, 85, so it's funny 12, because on this documentary he talks about it and he was like we were all yelling and cheering and and he was like, and then it dawned on me this was a graveyard and he was like he was like, and it got somber real quick.
Speaker 1:He was like, but we had all been so excited about it yeah, finding it and he was like, and then it dawns on you and uh, it gets.
Speaker 1:I'll tell you why it gets in a second yeah, yeah the dsv alvin, used in 1986 to mount the first crude expedition to the wreck of the titanic. Following the discovery of the wreck site, ballard returned to the titanic in july of 86 aboard the research vessel the rv atlantis. The rv atlantis 2, now the deep diving submersible dsv alvin could take people back to the Titanic for the first time since her sinking, and the remote operated vehicle Jason Jr would allow the explorers to investigate the interior of the wreck. Another system, angus, was used to carry out photo surveys of the debris field.
Speaker 2:Jason Jr, oh my God, it's extra funny because my husband's name is jason. I call him jay and but I know, you know, but the listeners don't know, and that's why we keep giggling a little extra hard.
Speaker 1:Every time I read it, I automatically think of him our little jj jason jr. Another system, angus, was used to carry out photo surveys of the debris. Jason Jr I should remember that Jason Jr was where we were Descended the ruined Grand Staircase as far as B deck and photographed remarkably well-preserved interiors, including some chandeliers still hanging from the ceilings. So look at this.
Speaker 2:We're going to nerd out here a second I'm going'm gonna I should probably not do it now, because I'm sure you had me at chandelier, but go ahead.
Speaker 1:The insanity of the stuff that they have a recovered and b they show you in the photos is astounding that it is still there this long after. I mean, and it's like doll's heads and um, there's so obviously there's no bodies because you're well, they said there could still be some like weight in the in the boiler rooms and stuff like that, but they it's, it's highly yeah at this point, um so instead of bodies and bones get crushed and all and all of that, it's just shoes.
Speaker 1:So you'll find a pair of shoes, or two pairs of shoes, and that's where somebody died. Oh, my god, where their body settled anyway, yeah, it's, but just I've been to a couple of the titanics, um uh, moving exhibitions yes and I mean one had a leather wallet with money still in it, perfectly like.
Speaker 2:It's fucking amazing, it's just it's that kind of stuff is what I love. That's why I love tv. Like I like going to museums and I read the. But it's not the same as when you watch, like a documentary on Nat Geo, about the Titanic or or even mysteries at the museum. Like I love that show because they're taking one piece of something from a museum and they're telling you in detail like where it was, who was with it, what happened with it, and that's what I love Museums. I kind of get lost in the sauce, like there's too much.
Speaker 1:They have in Orlando, they have a Titanic Museum and we went. Well, I talked One year, my whole family went. It was like a two-week situation. They got a time share for two weeks and then my mom and dad spent the first like four days there by themselves. My sister and her husband and one kid because the other one wasn't born yet went down in the middle, and then I came down and then I spent the rest of the time so my mom and dad were there for a little while.
Speaker 1:We were all together. And so my mom and dad were there for a little while we were all together and then my mom and dad left. So when my mom and dad left I was begging please, can we go to this titanic museum please? And you know, you don't, you all don't know, but she knows, my sister she was like her and her husband.
Speaker 1:Both were like we do not want to get bored, yeah, at this titanic medium. But when you get there, they give you a boarding pass and that's who you are and you don't know until the end whether you lived or not yeah and then you walk through and they have like a recreation of the cabins, like third class, first class, um.
Speaker 1:They have one part where you go into like it's like a walk-in freezer and it's the the it was there. And then they have like what, um, iceberg feels like in there and like just all the they have. Was that where they had the big piece of it, or was that vegas? One of them has a giant like and I mean like the size of a room piece of it that they brought up.
Speaker 2:Wow yeah, and they have it hanging um.
Speaker 1:So they were just then, they were into like, they were fully immersed in the experience, and my nephew kept getting grumpy because he was a little baby, he was a kid and didn't want, did not care about the Titanic and they kept getting upset because one of them would have to take him outside and miss part, and miss part of it anyway. Anyway, I converted them and they were very excited about it.
Speaker 2:Nice.
Speaker 1:They also have the grand staircase, like a replica of the grand staircase that you can stand on and you can actually get married on it. I know.
Speaker 2:What.
Speaker 1:Next time. I thought, it, but I wasn't going to say it.
Speaker 2:There won't be a next time.
Speaker 1:Between the 25th of July and the 10th of September 1987, an expedition mounted by IFMIR and a consortium of American investors which included George Tulloch, g Michael Harris, d Michael Harris and Ralph White, made 32 dives since the Titanic using the submersible submersible, not not tile, not tile. Controversially, they salvaged and brought ashore more than 1800 objects. A joint Russian Canadian American expedition took place in 1991. Cause, I guess the Cold War was over so you didn't have anything else to do.
Speaker 1:Using the research vessel. It's Russian and it's two Mir submersibles Sponsored by Stephen Lowe and IMAX, cbs, national Geographic and others. The expedition carried out extensive scientific research with a crew of 130 scientists and engineers. The Mirs carried out 17 dives, spending over 140 hours at the bottom, shooting 40,000 feet of IMAX film. This was used to create the 1992 documentary film Titanica, which was later released in the US on DVD in a re-edited version narrated by Leonard Nimoy, and so you can only imagine that that would be the greatest thing. So there are a couple of movies about the other than documentaries, but my two favorites obviously is the one that James Cameron did, but there's one called a night to remember and it's black and white and it is one of my favorites.
Speaker 2:Oh, I think I would enjoy that. Yeah, it's. It's like fs or 60s. The Poseidon Adventure is one of my favorites.
Speaker 1:I would like it. I don't want to spoil it for you, but the vote sinks.
Speaker 2:Damn it, I can't believe. You told me I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:I Frim and RMS Titanic Inc. The successors to the sponsors of the 87 Expedition, returned to the wreck with Nautil and the ROV Robin in June 1990. What is up with the naming these things people names?
Speaker 2:I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1:In June 90, I mean, my Roomba is named Alice, so I guess I can't True that.
Speaker 1:Over the course of 15 days they made 15 dives lasting between 8 and 12 hours each. Another 800 artifacts were recovered during the expedition, including a two-ton piece of reciprocating engine, a lifeboat davit and the steam whistle from the ship's forward funnel. That's what I'm saying. Like all this shit is like still fucking there, like it's just there. That's what I'm saying. Like all this shit is like still fucking there, like it's just there, mm-hmm. In 93, 94, 96, and 98, rms Titanic Inc carried out an intensive series of dives that led to the recovery of over 4,000 items in the first two expeditions alone.
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the section had come loose either during the sinking or as a result of the impact with the seabed. Its recovery using diesel-filled flotation bags was turned into something of an entertainment event, with two cruise ships accompanying the expedition to the wreck site. Passengers were offered the chance, at $5,000 per person, to watch the recovery on television screens in their cabins while enjoying luxurious accommodations. And if I had had five thousand dollars and knew about that, I a hundred percent would have done that because I wanted to do the qe2 yeah when they do.
Speaker 1:I don't know if they ever did. They were supposed to do it for the 100th anniversary. It was supposed to. I would have had I had the money for that, I would have fucking done that yeah, and I would have run into an iceberg.
Speaker 1:Las Vegas style shows and casino gambling aboard the ships. Right there you sold me. Various celebrities were recruited to enliven the proceedings, including Burt Reynolds, debbie Reynolds and Buzz Aldrin. No-transcript. The lift ended disastrously when rough water caused the rope supporting the bags to snap. At the moment the ropes broke. The hull section had been lifted to within only 200 feet of the surface. That's a kick in the dick. It hurtled 12,000 feet back down, embedding itself upright on the seafloor. The attempt was strongly criticized by marine archaeologists, scientists and historians as a money-making publicity stunt. Several publications compared the event to grave robbing, and Ballard called the event a carnival and stated that we tried to put it to rest. But this perpetuates the tragedy. A second successful attempt to lift the fragment was carried out in 98. The so-called big piece was conserved in a laboratory in Santa Fe for two years before being put on display at the Luxor Las Vegas Hotel, which is where I fucking saw it.
Speaker 2:Mystery solved there it is.
Speaker 1:It was at the Luxor In 1995, Canadian director James Cameron chartered the academic Mislav, the Russian ship, and the Mirs to make 12 dives to the Titanic. Okay, so James Cameron is probably more obsessed with the Titanic than literally anybody else on Earth.
Speaker 2:Correct. Well, you two might be equally obsessed, but he has the funds.
Speaker 1:He has the money.
Speaker 2:You would do the same thing with the money if you had it. That is true. Yeah, you're right, you're the poor man's, james.
Speaker 1:Cameron.
Speaker 2:James Cameron.
Speaker 1:Yes, I am. He used the footage in his blockbuster 1997 film Titanic. What, yeah? The discovery of the wreck and a National Geographic documentary of Ballard's 1986 expedition had inspired him to write a synopsis in 1987 of what eventually became the film. Do a story with bookends of present day, scenes of wreck using submersibles in your cut, with memories of a survival and recreated scenes of the night of the sinking. A crucible of human values under stress. The 2000 expedition by RMS Titanic Inc carried out 28 dives during which over 800 artifacts were recovered, including the ship's engine, telegraphs, perfume vials and watertight door gears. So the movie let's just talk about. I'm gonna go on a titanic movie.
Speaker 2:The movie's fine. I know you've never seen it, right? Yeah, I never have um. Just I've never been into love stories and it's more of a love story I feel like than anything, and also I knew how it ended. I know bad joke, but it's my joke for it. And also, however, if anyone is going to make a movie about the Titanic, I think James Cameron is perfect for it for it in this documentary, the new one, the net geo.
Speaker 1:He said that, um he, he wanted to recreate it as exactly as he could, and he did down to the china pattern and everything he did um, he did get one thing wrong. He was he. He showed that it broke apart, but um, it did not bob up and down like it did not? It bobbed up and down, but it did not slam back down okay, well, that was for theatrical no, he thought that's what happened.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, um, but did he not know better back then? No, they did not know.
Speaker 1:But that they? They were just finding out that it had broken in two when he was fucking dying to make this movie. Yeah, he's like all right, I have enough info, let's go so let's just for one second talk about the possibly most controversial part of the movie titanic okay could jack and rose have fit on the door?
Speaker 2:I mean I'm gonna say you at least had to give it a go. Like I've not seen it. However, I know all of the references, I know the movie, I know the actors.
Speaker 1:So this is the most hotly debated topic of that movie well, yeah, at least try right all right, I want to hear your opinion of it jack could not have fit on the floating door with rose because the door was a door frame, not a door, and the weight of both of them would have caused it to sink. James cameron conducted a scientific study with stunt people and hypothermia experts to determine if jack could have survived, and the real results indicated that he would have succumbed to hypothermia. But you still try Mythbusters. The Mythbusters experiment suggested that both Jack and Rose could have fit on the door. They also noted that it would have been difficult to maintain balance and that Jack would likely have died from hypothermia.
Speaker 2:Yes, but what if there's another boat just right nearby?
Speaker 1:that was just popping by and okay, and titanic, uh rose, wasn't on the door but on the doorframe. Um, the door. Here's a more detailed breakdown. The door is a doorframe. The prop often referred to as a door is actually a section of the door from the first class lounge, not a complete door. The weight of two people, especially in wet clothes, would have made it difficult for the door frame to stay afloat. The mythbusters found that, while both people could technically fit, the door frame would mostly be submerged and would not be a safe place for long-term survival. Okay, the cold water would have caused hypothermia, making it unlikely that both could have survived. James Cameron study concluded that it was not viable. I already said that, so that ends that. No.
Speaker 2:Well, here's my other question Was the doorframe enough to support one person and keep them from dying from hypothermia?
Speaker 1:She was completely out of the water on it, was she? Yes, okay, um, so yeah, and he was hanging on the side of it, okay. And then he's, he got spoiler alert, he dies and he and she peels his little fingers off and yeah, and then she blows the whistle and they find her.
Speaker 1:And yeah, yeah, no-transcript, which had offered a free dive to the Titanic that Leva Woods had won. He asked whether his fiance could come too, and was told that she could, but only if she agreed to get married during the trip. I would not have done that because I don't think that's okay.
Speaker 2:No, but it sounds about right for people with money to try to make money. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the same company also brought along Philip Littlejohn, the grandson of one of the Titanic's surviving crew members, who became the first descendant of a Titanic passenger or crew member to visit the wreck. Cameron himself also returned to the titanic in 2001 to carry out filming for walt disney pictures ghost of the abyss, filmed in 3d. In 2003 and 2004, the the us national oceanography and atmospheric administration, noah, carried out two expeditions to the titanic. The first, carried out between j 22nd and July 2nd 2003, performed four dives in two days. Its key aims were to assess the current condition of the wreck and carry out scientific observations to support ongoing research. The stern section, which had previously received relatively little attention from explorers, was specifically targeted for analysis. The microbial colonies aboard the Titanic were also a key focus of investigation.
Speaker 1:A second expedition from May to June 2004 saw the return of Robert Ballard to the Titanic, nearly 20 years after he discovered it. The expedition spent 11 days on the wreck, carrying out high-resolution mapping using video and stereoscopic still images. In 2005, there were two expeditions to the titanic. James cameron returned for the third and last time to film last mysteries of the titanic. Another expedition searched for previously unseen pieces of wreckage and led to the documentary titanic's final moment missing pieces. We're still not done.
Speaker 1:RMS Titanic mounted further expeditions to the Titanic in 2004 and 2010, when the first comprehensive map of the entire debris field was produced. Two autonomous underwater vehicles, torpedo-shaped robots, repeatedly ran backward and forward across the 3-byx5 nautical mile debris field, taking sonar scans and over 130,000 high-resolution images. This enabled a detailed photosomatic of the debris field to be created for the first time, giving scientists a much clearer view of the dynamics of the ship sinking. It encountered difficulties.
Speaker 1:Several hurricanes passed over the wreck and one of the rovs was caught in a piece of wreckage. I remember that too. The same year saw the discovery of the new bacteria living in the rusticles on the titanic latin words that I don't know that name bacteria. By april 2012, 100 years since the disaster and nearly 25 years since discovery of the wreck, around 140 people had visited the wreck on fort on the 14th of april 2012, the 100th anniversary of the ship sinking the wreck of the Titanic became eligible for protection under the 2001 UNESCO Convention on the Protection of the Underwater Cultural Heritage.
Speaker 1:In the same month, robert Ballard, the wreck's discoverer, announced a plan to preserve the wreck of the Titanic by using deep-sea robots to paint the wreck with anti-fouling paint to keep the wreck in its current state for all time. The proposed plan that Ballard announced had been outlined in a documentary made in time with the Titanic's 100th sinking anniversary, called Save the Titanic with Bob Ballard. He himself talks about how he proposed the paint job on the wreck will work. Job on the wreck will work. Ballard said that he proposed to robotically clean, clean and repaint the titanic with a color scheme mimicking rusticles, because he saw original anti-fouling paint on the ship's hull which was still working even after 74 years on the seabed all right yeah I can't keep letting you talk without saying what an incredible waste of money it would be to repaint the titanic that pink color because it's a pink.
Speaker 1:It was a pink stripe, any color.
Speaker 2:If you've seen the pictures, I mean it's a wreck 12 000 feet under the sea, like yes, okay, I'm sorry, some people just have more money than they know what to do with.
Speaker 1:Yes, in august 2019, a team of explorers and scientists used deep submergence vehicles limiting factor to visit the wreck, marketing the first crewed dive to the ship in 14 years. Five dives took place over a period of eight days in 4K resolution for the first time, and dedicated photogrammetry passes were performed to create highly accurate and photoreal 3D models of the wreck. Footage from the dive was used for a documentary filmed by Atlantic Productions. The documentary was Back to the Titanic, aired on Nat Geo in 2020. In May 2023. We're almost here. The mapping company Magellan and the film production company the Atlantic Productions created the first full-size digital scan of the Titanic using deep-sea mapping. The 3D view of the entire ship enables it to be seen as if the water has been drained away. It is hoped the scan can shed new light on the sinking, and I think that's what the nat geo is. Oh, yeah, then, um, american company? Oh, so that? Okay? The american company ocean gate began conducting commercial submersible tours of the wreck in july 2021 using its submersible titan on.
Speaker 1:June 18th 2023, titan imploded near the wreck during a dive, killing pilots Scott Stockton Rush and four passengers. The wreckage of the Titan was located roughly 500 meters or 1,600 feet, from the bow of the Titanic.
Speaker 2:Is that the submersible that I'm thinking of? That was that long ago, 2023.
Speaker 1:It's only been two years.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah. Yeah, I thought you said a different year, no 2023.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That was awful, uh-huh.
Speaker 1:The incident prompted James Cameron to remark. Now there's one wreck lying next to the other wreck. For the same damn reason. On July 6th 2023, ocean Gate suspended all operations. On July 2024, rms Titanic held their first expedition to the wreck in 14 years. They did more photography, and that's the National Geo. Hold on, okay. So some of the Titanic's fauna has never been seen anywhere else. James Cameron's 2001 expedition discovered a previously unknown type of sea cucumber lavender with a glowing row of phosphorescent portholes along its side. A newly discovered species of rust-eating bacterium found on the ship has been named the Latin thing that I said which has been found to cause rapid decay of the wreck. Henrietta Mann, who discovered the bacteria, has estimated that the Titanic will completely collapse, possibly as soon as 2030. The Canadian geophysicist, steve Blasco, has commented that the wreck has become an oasis, a thriving ecosystem sitting in a vast desert.
Speaker 1:In mid-2016, the facilities of the Institute, french words used neutron imaging to demonstrate that a molecule called ectin is used by that bacteria to regulate fluid balance and cell volume to survive at such pressures and salinities. So they have determined that the wreck of the Titanic will not exist by 2037 and that preservation of the Titanic is impossible. Unfortunately, because Titanic is 2.3 miles down, it is very difficult or impossible to preserve. Because Titanic is 2.3 miles down, it is very difficult or impossible to preserve. It's film that. So that's why I think they did this documentary, because it's not got long. I mean, that's only 10 years from now.
Speaker 2:I mean and I'm good with it too Like what is there really to learn from it about the wreck itself? It hit an iceberg and it sank.
Speaker 1:Well, and, if you want, and this documentary, they show exactly what happened. Yeah, they've got it now.
Speaker 2:And she belongs to the sea now. Things have moved in, and why continue with it? We've gotten a lot of artifacts from it.
Speaker 1:I don't agree, so be satisfied. Yeah, I mean, I guess it's fine, it's so hard because it is a grave site and a lot of people died there, 1700 people died.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know I mean it is fascinating, but we have photos of it before. It's like we know what it looked like, we know what was on it. We've gotten artifacts. Yeah, I don't know, but I'm not like a super fan either.
Speaker 1:So I just I think it's. I actually saw it before doing this. I thought that they had cut off um anybody going to it a while ago for that reason that it was, it was hollowed ground. But I guess I was wrong. I guess I made that up, um, so they did do. The one-to-one digital model of the wreck, which is accurate to the rivet, helped to work out exactly what happened to the ship's passengers and crew, based on scientific evidence rather than theories. So this is the Nat Geo special Follows, a team of renowned experts, historians and engineers as they explore the virtual recreation using advanced forensic analysis. As they explore the virtual recreation using advanced forensic analysis, their mission is to review and challenge long-held assumptions, including reconstructing a minute-by-minute timeline of the tragedy to uncover new insights into the ship's final moments on that fateful night in 1912. April 14th yesterday marks the 113th anniversary of the Titanic's sinking. Wow, yes, so it will not be here in our lifetime it will be gone.
Speaker 1:It will just be. What did they call it? They called it a. Uh, I think titanic maybe has 15 or 20 years left. Uh, it would last no longer. It would just be a stain, a rust stain on the bottom I was gonna say does it just rust out? Yeah, yeah, they say by 2037 it'll be gone and it'll just be nothing left but a rust stain on the bottom of the Atlantic.
Speaker 2:Huh, yeah, so it just rusts away.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's getting eaten by the little Latin bacteria.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, and I guess eventually it'll just get covered with seafloor, seafloor and nobody keeps moving.
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah, yep, that's crazy, bye bitches, it's. It's just, it's one of those. I don't know what got me into the titanic. Yeah, I don't know either. I don't. I just like a disaster, I think.
Speaker 2:Yeah and it's, and it was so popular when we were kids, like we always knew about the titanic, I guess that's why, because they found it in 85 before the movie yeah, yeah, and I'm sure it was all over everywhere and yeah, and had been for years because they had been trying to find it.
Speaker 1:Yeah and then, no, they couldn't. It's just, I did think that they had made it. I didn't realize that the I knew the Titan was going near it, but I didn't think they were allowed to go to it anymore. I really did think, well, I guess I was wrong.
Speaker 2:But I'm sure in some way You're right. It's just.
Speaker 1:And, like you said, what do you need to go back for? Yeah, now you have this one-to-one. They called it a digital twin. And the documentary is really good and you can really see it, and one of the things James Cameron was talking about was because he said when you first come up on it, you come up on the bow, like you know when James Cameron did, when you come up on it, you come up on the bow and it's just like that would you know when James Cameron did when?
Speaker 2:you come up on it, you come up on the bow, and it's just like that would be amazing.
Speaker 1:He was like it's just all dark. And then there it is, yeah, and he was like he said the same thing that Ballard did. They were. He was so excited and screaming and hooting and hollering and then he was like oh, yeah, damn, that would be amazing.
Speaker 2:Like yesterday, I watched Gayle King go into space on Jeff Bezos. I love Gayle King, I think she's awesome, but you're making me think of that because she was absolutely terrified, like the other five women on the ship were excited and smiling and she just looks like she is walking to her death like, and that I would be exactly the same way. But I was thinking about it while you were talking and I have no interest in space, but that what you just said about being down and not submersive and just rolling up and being on the bow like yes, I would want to do that.
Speaker 1:I think I would. I don't know, I would, because A if you're going to die, that's a quick, motherfucking death. Oh, yeah, like they said the people on the Titan didn't even have Maybe for a second. No, they didn't even have that.
Speaker 2:Oh, ok, they didn't.
Speaker 1:From the time the hole happened, or whatever happened, till the time they were vaporized was less than a second.
Speaker 2:OK, like.
Speaker 1:Whatever happened until the time they were vaporized was less than a second. Okay, like they didn't even have time to think there's a hole.
Speaker 2:Nothing Gone, just gone. Their families are just here to grieve, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's sad, but you know, and the same thing with, like you know, it's the same way I feel about all the space tragedies too. Those people died doing what they loved. They knew it was a risk. You know it's a risk. Yes, even if they had run the shuttle 500 times, you still you get you're strapping yourself on a rocket with a lot of gas in it and you're kind of a guinea pig, you're going in the grand scheme of things, we know very little I mean, it's just, it is.
Speaker 1:But to be able to, to run up on that bow would just be, and you know this, the all the human stories. I don't want to go into all them because we would have been here for like four and a half hours.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, there was a guggenheim on there that died although I did want to tell you in this documentary, they did find out. So there was a lot of controversy about one of the crew members I don't remember if it's the one that James Cameron had shoot people on in the movie, although he did feel guilty about that because that was an actual person and he doesn't know. He took liberty with that and he thought better of it. Was an actual person and he doesn't know. He took liberty with that and he thought better of it.
Speaker 1:He thought he should have made it a more of a um anonymous right like just a member of the crew, not give him an actual crew member's name? Right anyway there was a lot of controversy over this one crew member that um. Some of the other crew members that survived said that he got swept off the deck while trying to put a lifeboat over, and which lifeboat and then other people said they saw him trying to get in lifeboats and it was like a whole.
Speaker 1:He died right but there was a lot of tarnishing and in this they were able to go to the, the lifeboat, the area that he was supposed to be at, and they said that at the time it was going down the bow, because I think it was up on the bow when it was going down the angle. They did a lot of science the angle at which the hoisty things on it and the way it was broken would have indicated that it was being dropped at the time and that it probably sunk so fast there that he probably did get pulled off the oh, yeah, so they did clear that guy's name you know, 100.
Speaker 1:But I mean, it's just if they put that show on the road where you can just walk through like a, like a hologram of it or something man I would do that it's anyway, yeah, that would be cool there's a lot of really cool stories about.
Speaker 1:You know, of course, this unsinkable molly brown, and you know there's a lot of very rich people on there that well, I mean, you love the titanic so much you can dedicate another episode to another four and a half hours. Yes, of the titanic. I love it. Yep, anyway, that's the. That's the finding of the Titanic and not the sinking of the Titanic.
Speaker 2:That was very fun, very informative.
Speaker 1:Thanks, I didn't have any really fun facts, but I don't know that there aren't any fun facts about the Titanic.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, yeah, it's kind of a I can't think of the word Sad tragedy, I guess because it's so far removed from it, that it's you know it is sad.
Speaker 1:But I want to go to. I do want to go to nova scotia. Um, they have a. They have. That's where the, that's the way the graveyard is. I know I want to go with the band and I have yeah, they have a whole big museum and then you can walk the grounds of the, the graveyard, and you can see the graves of, um, some of the people that the carpathia picked up, wow. So if you ever want fun facts on the titanic, I'm your gal yeah, yeah, definitely okay, that's it.
Speaker 1:I rambled on about my titanic for long enough. Thank you, I appreciate it yeah, uh, you can find us on all the socials. At LikeWhateverPod, you can send an email asking me hey, heather, what are some fun facts about the Titanic? At LikeWhateverPod, at gmailcom, or not Like whatever.
Speaker 2:Whatever, bye, bye.
