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New Pope, Who Dis?
When Pope Francis passed away this week, we knew we had to explore the fascinating world behind papal succession and the upcoming conclave. What started as a straightforward look at Catholic leadership quickly turned into a riveting deep dive into centuries-old traditions mixed with modern global politics.
Did you know there have been five popes during the Gen X lifetime? From Paul VI guiding the church through modernization to John Paul I's brief 33-day papacy (the "Smiling Pope"), to the beloved John Paul II surviving assassination attempts during his 27-year tenure, to Benedict XVI making history by resigning, and finally to Francis breaking tradition with his humility and progressive approach—each shaped Catholicism in unique ways.
The real magic happens in the conclave process itself. Picture this: 135 Cardinals from over 90 countries locked inside the Sistine Chapel beneath Michelangelo's masterpiece, with jamming devices preventing any outside communication. They write names on ballots, place them in ceremonial urns, and invoke Christ as witness to their choice. When black smoke rises from the chapel chimney, the world knows deliberations continue; white smoke signals a new pope's selection. The newly elected pontiff is then taken to "The Room of Tears"—named for the emotional weight of the moment—before appearing on St. Peter's balcony to greet the faithful.
As Catholicism grows rapidly in Africa, South America, and Asia while declining in Europe, this conclave could signal a significant shift in church leadership. The global makeup of today's College of Cardinals means the next pope might come from anywhere in the world. We can't help wondering who will emerge from that famous balcony—and yes, we discovered you can actually place bets on the outcome! Follow us on social media as we eagerly await the white smoke and the announcement "Habemus Papam!"
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Speaker 2:Welcome to Like Whatever a podcast for. By and about Gen X. I'm Nicole and this is my BFF, heather. Hola, so huge news this week, well not huge.
Speaker 1:I got my hair cut. That's huge news oh, that is huge and it looks super cute, my bangs are back kids I'm still living in 1990, maybe moved up to 7, 1997, with this one, but I'm still living in the 90s.
Speaker 2:I don't know you still got the manic panic colors going on today it is partially blue, although I asked her how much gray was in there.
Speaker 1:Here's what I want to do. I want it to be dark with white in it, so that when I color it, the white will color and the dark will not you dig what I'm laying down. But she said I don't have enough gray in there for that. So sorry, suckas, I don't have enough gray. Another reason for me to sorry suckas.
Speaker 2:I don't have enough gray Another reason for me to hate your hair. I know Everybody hates my hair. Yes, it's so much of it it is, and you're not going gray, I'm completely gray, I'm not going gray.
Speaker 1:Anyway, that's all that's going on for me my haircut. So what's your huge news? Elizabeth? Elizabeth Hurley and Billy Ray Cyrus are dating. I did not know that until about 37 seconds ago. Oh no, because we've been on here for a minute 30 a minute and a half, so two minutes ago, I found out.
Speaker 2:I saw it on like Instagram and I think it was. People posted an article because Elizabeth Hurley's son is not happy about it and they made it, uh, instagram official um, some picture of her standing with a very low-cut shirt and her boobs squished up and she has a cowboy hat on and they're leaning against the fence and he's kissing her on the cheek and she's laughing and I was like what is happening, right? Now like every time I think elizabeth hurley, I still thank you, grant like yeah those two were probably an absolute shit show, but they went together.
Speaker 2:Yeah, billy ray cyrus is a piece of shit as far as I'm concerned. Um, I don't know enough about him. I don't know a ton about him, but mileyiley hates him. Now I won't speak to him anymore. So that's enough for me, because I love Miley.
Speaker 1:I like Miley.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't think he's a very good husband. No, and or father, get out of town.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Get out of town. I don't know. She's a little nutty herself.
Speaker 1:But she's also a child star and they all look nutty. Yeah, true.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but Elizabeth Hurley and Billy Ray Cyrus I just would have never put them together. What do you know? How about that? Before we get into it, I would like to ask you all to like share rate review. You can find us wherever you listen to podcasts and you know that already. But if I could reiterate, please like share rate review so that we can get bumped up some, because we're pretty consistent with our listeners and we've developed some followers, loyal followers, one of which, newly this week, is my nephew.
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Speaker 1:And if you all didn't watch, did you watch the Titanic thing yet I?
Speaker 2:haven't yet. No, I just haven't been watching a ton of TV. I haven't either.
Speaker 1:Although I lied, I just lied to you a ton of tv. But either, although I lied, I just lied to you, because now that I finished um my third or fourth run of the big bang theory, I was like I can't watch it again because I literally just watched it. So now, what am I gonna watch? And that's when I remembered futurama. Oh, that's a great show, we should totally do a rewatch of that too.
Speaker 1:Okay, I think that we're gonna have to. Oh, I also know what I wanted to say too. Okay, so we have a buy me a coffee thing. It's like whatever pod at buy me a car. If you go to buy me a coffeecom and you search us, we're in there. I forgot we had that. Yeah, it's, it's buy meacoffeecom, and it's just. You know what?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so just buy us coffee bro so I was thinking also, once you people like rate, review, share, and we get bigger, then we can do a Patreon and we can do those, uh, rewatches, oh, but I do think we should do a rewatch of futurama, because now this is probably like my 10th or 12th time through it and, um, I have seen stuff this last week that I was like I did not see that before, that that's fucking hilarious. So yeah, futurama, we should do a rewatch.
Speaker 2:All right. So I don't know if I know what's a rewatch. Is it something specific or is it just what it is?
Speaker 1:So what you do is you watch an episode, we watch an episode and then we talk about that specific episode. Oh, okay, and then you do it every week with a new episode. Plus, futurama has like 10 seasons, so we'll never run out of it. Although they're only a half an hour, so we probably have to do two yeah.
Speaker 2:But yeah, yeah, I would totally do that.
Speaker 1:I love that show and then supposedly the audience is watching it with you. Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:And then you can, you know.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's some of that, like TikTok and YouTube stuff, right, no most podcasts.
Speaker 1:do it A lot of podcasts do it.
Speaker 2:There's like whole.
Speaker 1:There's Buffy rewatch podcasts. There's actually. The thing that got me into listening to podcasts was Zach Braff and Donald Faison do a Scrubs rewatch. They did, but they're probably through it now because they started that like in 2020. So oh my gosh, um, and they're theirs is hilarious.
Speaker 2:I mean, that was one of the all-time best shows we could do a rewatch of that too. I love scrubs okay, all right, I like it futurama.
Speaker 1:That's where I'm at right now.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'm futurama-ing it okay very cool, so let's fuck around and find out about popes, popes. So I originally had planned to do a different topic this week and uh, as heather put it, I get all the good deaths. Everybody dies on her week, it's the weirdest thing.
Speaker 2:so I texted her and I was like I guess I should do something about the popes. It's a pretty deal and he was a pretty solid guy. It sounds like I liked what he. It's not my thing, but I liked what he had to say and I liked that he was saying it to so many people, so hopefully, some of them listened.
Speaker 1:I do think it was. He is one of the more progressive popes.
Speaker 2:Well, his whole thing when I was reading things was and I knew this before too that it's not that he approves of the LBGTQ community or things like that. But he says it's not his place to judge yes, so, and that's how it should be. Yes, I mean, but a lot of people choose to judge yes Anywho. So my references for this week were ChristianityTodaycom, bbccom. I used a little Wikipedia, which I don't like to do, but that was more so for, like timelines, biographycom and thelatimescom. So the first thing I want to do is talk about popes that um were popes poping it up. They five popes um in the gen x era, uh, and beyond in our lifetimes, I should say um. The first one was um paul the sixth, pope, paul the sixth um. He was pope from 1963 till 1978. Pope John Paul I, who was only Pope for 33 days, 1978 to 1978. You don't know, that one.
Speaker 2:No, okay, good, I get to tell you some facts. The one that we probably all remember because he was around for the majority yeah, um pope john paul ii, who was 1978 to 2005, uh. Pope benedict, uh the 16th, he was 2005 till 2013. And pope francis ii, uh from 2013 until we lost him on Monday.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was kind of bummed. You know I'm not. So here's my thing about the Catholic Church. Obviously I'm not a big follower of the Catholic Church, but I love me some Catholic ritual. I mean when they go all out, they go all out, they go all out. Yeah, I do enjoy all of their and everything's beautiful. Yes, yeah, and I want to call it rigmarole, but I feel like that's very offensive. So I'm just gonna say straight out the gate I apologize if I offend any catholics, I do not mean I do too.
Speaker 2:I would like to say that this is all meant out of respect. I am sharing facts about popes of the past. I am not making fun of anyone's religion, but if you've listened to this podcast before, we have a dark sense of humor and we say dumb shit sometimes so I mean, I'm actually a catholic godmother for reals, like I am a godmother in a Catholic church.
Speaker 1:Yes, my godson, yes, is Catholic, yes, so suck it.
Speaker 2:So somebody thinks you're Catholic worthy Yep, that's my aunt. I know and she loves you, she does All right. So after we talk about the five popes, then we're going to talk about the conclave that's about to happen.
Speaker 1:I can't wait for that going to talk about the conclave that's about to happen. That is my favorite part of the whole pick, like picking the pope thing. I remember when they picked benedict and I remember when francis the first got picked I was so excited.
Speaker 2:I watched cnn like all day, every day just to watch the smoke, just to watch the smoke change.
Speaker 1:Yes, I have no skin in the game.
Speaker 2:I don't know, two shits about I don't know anything about them. I don't know anything about game.
Speaker 1:I don't know two shits about the Pope. I don't know anything about them. I don't know anything about Popes. I don't know anything about Cardinals. I don't know anything about anything but that waiting for that smoke man.
Speaker 2:It's pretty exciting. It is exciting, yeah, yeah, so, yeah. So when I told Heather that I was going to do this week on Popes, she said she loved Conclavelave. So I am doing the majority of around that. So let's quick get through these popes and what they did, so that we can get to the conclave talk, all right.
Speaker 2:So pope paul the sixth from 1963 to 1978 um, he was cardinal montiniini. In the conclave. After John 23rd's death, montini was elected Pope on the sixth ballot on the 21st of June. He took the name Paul VI in honor of Paul, the Apostle. At times he was criticized for a lack of assertiveness. Others saw his attitude as an indicator of his thoughtfulness and diplomacy while guiding the church through a difficult new era, as he did his best to maintain its traditions while ensuring its effectiveness in a rapidly changing world. After just over 15 years in office, I didn't know they called it in office oh yeah, they do.
Speaker 1:They have their own um military too. Oh yeah, I think I did know that I forget what they're called, but it's a cool name.
Speaker 2:I'll google it while you're talking okay, um, after just over 15 years in office, pope paul vi passed away at castile g Gandolfo on August 6, 1978. He was beatified. Is that the way you say that word? I think so. It doesn't sound right. But there's no, I want to say beautified. I want to say beautified.
Speaker 1:Beautified.
Speaker 2:I did look it up for the definition so that I could explain it to everyone, but I did not look up how to say it, but it looks like beatified. But it could be beatified, but anyway it is beatified.
Speaker 2:It is beatified, all right. That makes a lot more sense. Actually, when I said it, I was like that's got to be how you say it, all right. So he was not beatified. He was beatified, which is the step before becoming a saint, and it gives capacity to intercede on behalf of individuals who pray in their name. So people were allowed to pray to him Because he was beatified.
Speaker 1:It's the Swiss Guard. Oh, this is about to get me.
Speaker 2:Gotcha On October 19th 2014,. That's when he was beatified, and then he was canonized, which is the officially declaring someone a saint on October 14th 2018. He left behind a legacy of Yep. So that word and caring for workers and the poor. I really tried, man. I was looking stuff up because there are a lot of words I don't know in this stuff because I'm not Catholic, and there are a lot of things that are not English. So well, not necessarily a lot of them, but they're words that other countries use Anyway yeah, so I tried, I really did my best.
Speaker 1:If you're here for like hardcore facts, you're again in the wrong spot.
Speaker 2:Yes, I will promise you I did not change anything, but um yeah I might not pronounce it right, all right, so the next was pope john paul I. He was born albini luciani on october 17th 1912. That's my sister's birthday, not 1912, but yeah, I'll be. Uh, he served as the head of the Catholic Church for a brief period from August 26th to September 28th 1978. That's my birthday, making his papacy one of the shortest. That's so weird that you and your sister's birthday I know right In the same sentence.
Speaker 2:Weird, all right. His papacy was one of the shortest in history, at just 33 days. He was notable for being the first pope to choose a double name, commemorating his predecessors, john the 23rd and paul the 6th. Uh, his sudden death raised many questions and theories, leading to speculation about the circumstances surrounding it. John John Paul I is remembered for his warmth and approachability, earning him the nickname the Smiling Pope.
Speaker 1:Sounds like a horror movie, I know.
Speaker 2:He was pretty jolly. Looking. Though the pictures of him, I was like oh he is cute. During his brief tenure he defended the Roman Catholic Church's opposition to abortion and contraception, but he also sought to reform institutions and root out corruption. Pope Francis described him as someone who lived without compromise. John Paul I died of a heart attack on September 28, 1978. His death caused much controversy and conspiracy theories due to slightly differing accounts. The vatican said he was found dead by two nuns, but initially it was said a priest had found him, uh, uneasy with the fact that women had entered the pope's private quarters. So, all right, I won't go there. Um, that's maybe a little too far.
Speaker 1:We're trying to be nice here.
Speaker 2:Trying so hard, but I thought it the first time I read it. Anyway, for an individual to be beatified, a miracle needs to be attributed to prayers made to them after their death. The miracle attributed to the new beatified Pope was the healing of an 11-year-old girl after her parents had prayed to Pope John Paul I. In the last 1,000 years, just eight popes have been made saints, which I thought was crazy because, like three of these popes I'm talking about today have been made saints. So I just feel like maybe people are a little more vain now.
Speaker 1:I don't know, just slap a saint on anybody, it doesn't make sense that they're In a thousand years.
Speaker 2:There have been eight, but like three of them were in our lifetime.
Speaker 1:Because John Paul II was a saint also right, he was just recently sainted. I don't know, I think they just there's a lot of Maybe. They loosened the restrictions on Maybe Becoming a saint.
Speaker 2:That's not fair to the other popes, they're all dead.
Speaker 1:Yeah, true, they don't care, that's true. They're in heaven now with Jesus Fair. Stop it.
Speaker 2:Stop it All right. Next is Pope John Paul II, who was ordained in 1946. He became the bishop of Omby in 1958 and became the Archbishop of Krakow in 1964. He was made a Cardinal by Pope Paul VI. I don't know why I'm tripping up over that. I had a terrible time with the Roman numerals. Roman numerals, man. I know, because I know them. I know, but it's I'm still because I don't know. It's not like anybody else can see this, but anyway. He was made a cardinal by Pope Paul VI in 1967, and in 1978 became the first non-Italian pope in more than 400 years.
Speaker 2:He was a vocal advocate for human rights and used his influence to affect political change. He died in Italy in 2005. It was announced in July 2013 that he would be declared a saint in April of the following year. In 1981, an assassin shot John Paul twice in St Peter's Square in Vatican City. Fortunately, he was able to recover from his injuries and later forgave his attacker. A vocal advocate for human rights, john Paul often spoke out about suffering in the world. He held strong positions on many topics, including his opposition to capital punishment. A charismatic figure, john Paul used his influence to bring about political change and is credited with the fall of communism in his native Poland. He was not without critics, however. Some have stated that he could be harsh with those who disagreed with him and that he would not compromise his hardline stance on issues such as contraception.
Speaker 1:He also was. I'm just going to do this one time and then I'm not going to mention it again. Okay, I think that he also helped sweep a lot of that abuse under just moving priests to different.
Speaker 2:And I agree with you and I think you're correct, because it's only been very recently that and I would say, probably with Francis, that that's not okay anymore. Yeah, um, yeah. So let's see, and the dang contraception man, they just hate it.
Speaker 1:They do it's. They gotta make more catholics I guess, I guess.
Speaker 2:Uh, on july 5th 2013, waiving the usual five-year waiting period, the Vatican announced that the Roman Catholic Church would declare Pope John Paul II a saint. Simon Pierre Normand prayed to Pope John Paul II for or during her battle with, parkinson's disease the same disease that killed the Pope which I did not know. I did not know that either, and she was cured, which is pretty crazy. The second miracle involved a 50-year-old woman who claimed that she was cured of a brain aneurysm after a photograph of Pope John Paul II spoke to her Again. Can you prove it? No, just kidding, I'm trying.
Speaker 1:I'm going to keep my mouth.
Speaker 2:I mean, this is a really tough topic for us.
Speaker 1:It's very tough, but does that yes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know what I mean, I do. All right, we're trying to play nice we really are and we don't mean to offend, we're just trying to be funny. Yeah, I mean we joke about ourselves dying all well, about heather dying all the time, every day, murdering things like.
Speaker 1:It's just what we do. I did almost try to kill myself the other day. Why? Because I, you know, I've been. I've been door dashing kids, yes, um, and I picked up an order with shrimp on it and I didn't know it had shrimp on it and then I had to ride in the car with it and I was like, oh, that's not good, but I didn't die.
Speaker 2:So yeah, mean that smell good though. Yes, all right. So Pope Benedict XVI was from 2005 to 2013. He was born April 16th 1927, as Markdol am in, I think I said that right in Germany. He died December 31stst 2022 in vatican city. Uh, he was the bishop of rome and head of the catholic roman catholic church from 2005 to 2013. Prior to his election as pope, benedict led a distinguished career as a theologian theolog, I was going to say a theologist and then the last couple letters changed on me I was like wait, that's not what that says Theologian, and as prefect, I did that.
Speaker 2:when I read it earlier, I was like they spelled perfect wrong. I can see how you could do that as prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. As prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, his papacy faced several challenges, including a decline in vocations and church attendance. Divisive debates concerning the direction of the church and the effects of the scandal beginning in the late 1990s surrounding the church. Handling of the numerous cases of sexual abuse by priests. So, yes, you were correct. Uh, citing health issues. In 2013, he became the first pope to resign since gregory the 12th in 1415 wow, I got a fun fact about benedict.
Speaker 1:Okay, he had um doc martin's. Yeah, he wore white doc martin's that were specially made for him. So if you ever see pictures he's wearing, he's rocking the white docs was he a goth kid?
Speaker 2:apparently he liked the docs. Um. So now we come to uh pope francis the first. Uh francis was beloved by many for his public displays of compassion, commitment to social justice and willingness to shake up the scandal-ridden Vatican. He largely hewed to the church's conservative lines on the social issues such as abortion and LBGTQ rights, but urged clerics not to be obsessed with these issues. His emphasis on God's love and his demand that the church go out and minister to oppressed and needy people impressed even those who disagreed with him. Francis's 12-year papacy presented a stark change in style and tone from that of his predecessor, the late Benedict XVI. Predecessor, the late Benedict XVI, a shy scholar who wrote dense theological treatises and saw the church as a holy institution under siege from an increasingly godless, relativistic society. Francis, by contrast, likened the church to a battlefield hospital tending to the spiritually wounded. His call for a poor church also put him at odds withments and the lavish apartment in the penthouse of the episcopal apostolic apostolic, apostolic palace palace.
Speaker 2:Yep, yep, um, that was. Another thing I liked about him was, um, he just wore the white robe. Yes, he never wore the other, and I would be willing to bet it's because that other crap was heavy and hot and he was like you know what, I'm humble I'm just gonna wear white.
Speaker 1:Do all that, he also. Yeah, I do remember he did not want to live in that apartment, so yeah, I do. Isn't he the one that why he was like the first one to wash a Muslim woman's feet? Mm, hmm.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I saw pictures of him doing that. I kind of likened him to Mother Teresa when I was reading this stuff. Just, I mean, she was in the trenches but I don't know. Just the mindset, it felt like I don't know. It felt like I don't know. Beyond the sorry, beneath the friendly exterior, was also a leader willing to take decisive action. Vatican watchers noted Francis's determination to sweep clean institutions that had become rife with dysfunction, factionalism and accusations of corruption. Soon after his election, he replaced key officials at the troubled Vatican Bank and appointed a blue ribbon commission to advise him on overhauling the Curia, the Vatican administration.
Speaker 1:I'm pretty sure that he was also the one that agreed that not so much agreed with, but said that the Big Bang can also live side by side with the creation. Yes, because God could have created the Big Bang. Yeah, I think he was pretty open about the science. I don't know about evolution, but I know it was the Big Bang. Oh, okay, gotcha, he was cool with the Big Bang, no Good.
Speaker 2:So to wrap up on Francis, I have a quote from him Christian love is not a concentric expansion of interest that little by little extend to other persons and groups. The true ordo amoris that must be promoted is that which we discover by meditating constantly on the parable of the Good Samaritan, that is, by meditating on the love that builds a fraternity open to all without exception, and I think that's a pretty I mean. As a non-Christian, I appreciate that he is considered considerate of everything and everyone.
Speaker 1:So I remember when they were doing the conclave to pick him and there was a lot of controversy because a, I think um it was. I don't know if it came down to him, but I do know one of the uh, there's a cardinal in new york that everybody loves, um, I can't remember his name, but it was. I think he was in the running for being pope too. Um, and I know there was a lot of controversy over, like within, because he was more open, right, and had a more humble and had a more open mind, right ish. But I think because they catholic church was losing people left and right, oh yeah, I think that's why they put him in there, because they needed to bring bring home the sheep the flock needs to be corralled or whatever they say.
Speaker 1:But I I do think that's why I do remember in the conclave that that's what it was between him and Ivo. I wish I could remember that Cardinals team.
Speaker 2:I know the one that was played by Lithgow.
Speaker 1:Was he In what? In Conclave? Oh, I never saw that.
Speaker 2:It actually wasn't that good.
Speaker 1:I never saw it. My husband enjoyed it. Timothyothy dolan oh yeah, everybody loves him okay. So maybe he'll be poked this time. Maybe maybe um america. They've never had an american one. Yeah, it's time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah and actually, um, I was listening to NBR and they were talking about the upcoming conclave and the last four have not been Italian, so they were thinking maybe they'd come back around to that. However, the Catholic religion is growing most in Africa, south America and Asia in Africa, south America and Asia. So they feel like a more globally aware Pope might be better.
Speaker 1:Well, that was also why they picked him, and Catholicism is slacking off in Europe actually, Right. That was also one of the reasons, because he was from South America.
Speaker 2:Yes, and he had traveled a lot. Yes, yep, so yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't know, maybe we'll let's all, let's all throw our vote in for for Timothy Go America USA.
Speaker 2:America, all right. So now, oh wait, before we get off of Francis, I just wanted to do you remember when he came to Philly? I do, All right. So in September of 2015, pope Francis came to Philly for the World Meeting of Families and we live well. I live a little closer to Philly, maybe an hour 20 minutes. I live from Philly and the Italian restaurants around here all had Pope Francis on their pizza boxes. It was amazing.
Speaker 1:All of the Italians.
Speaker 2:I know I had a picture of one somewhere and I looked for it today but that was 10 years ago and I just couldn't find it. And then I just gave up. But it was funny, it had his picture on it and everything. Um, yeah, but in the red dye right like the white box with the red yeah, yep, so all right.
Speaker 2:so conclave super excited. So conclave is a latin word meaning a room that can be locked up, or, more simply, a closed room. Members of the College of Cardinals will cast their votes behind the closed and locked doors of the Vatican Sistine Chapel, famous for its ceiling frescoes painted by Michelangelo. Another thing I heard on NPR was that the majority of the Cardinals won't know each other Because they're from all over the place, and 80% of them were appointed by Francis.
Speaker 1:I just read that Timothy Dolan was made a Cardinal in 2012.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, and at first when I heard that I was like 80% seems like a really high number, but cardinals look old so I'd imagine they have to be replaced frequently.
Speaker 1:I think that was another thing that they were talking about when he was in there, like maybe it's time they got somebody younger and I think and. I think yes and no. I mean okay. So I don't think the Pope really means as much as it used to. I don't think the Pope wields the power that the Pope used to in like the 1400s. Yeah, yeah, I think he's just guy in a robe.
Speaker 1:Well, there are a lot more world leaders now, so well, yes, and I just think that I don't know if a younger person is a good idea or they should allow the older, and then you have a rollover of ideas more often yeah do you know what I mean? Like most leaders have term limits unless you're a monarchy or a dictatorship or whatever is happening right now. So um, yeah I mean I think that's. You know. Having term limits is good, two terms is good, three is two three is not in the constitution.
Speaker 2:Three is not in the Constitution.
Speaker 1:Three is not in the Constitution, and I think that for that reason that you're rolling over different ideas, it's not the same.
Speaker 2:And also something with the Catholic Church that I just kind of thought of was, you know, like a young person would be too much, too fast. It's a lot.
Speaker 1:Just baby steps. Maybe pick somebody in like their 60s or 50s. I mean, we're all, hey Gen X Pope kids, let's do this All right.
Speaker 2:Anyway, distinguished by their scarlet robes, cardinals are chosen by each pope to elect future popes. A cardinal must be under the age of 80 to be eligible to vote in a conclave. Of the 252 members of the College of Cardinals, 135 are currently eligible to elect the new pope. Whew, there's a lot of old cardinals. 135 are currently eligible to elect the new pope. There's a lot of old cardinals. Yeah, um, for many centuries, the college of cardinals was dominated by europeans, italians in particular, in fact. The first time a non-european cardinal actually cast a ballot in a conclave was only in the 20th century, when balt Archbishop James Gibbons voted in the 1903 Papal election. Now the College of Cardinals has members from over 90 countries, with Francis having appointed nearly 80% of them. So do you think that Baltimore is America's Baltimore? I?
Speaker 1:would think so.
Speaker 2:Yeah 1903.
Speaker 1:Yeah would think so yeah, 1903, yeah, that's a hell of a. That's a hell of a voyage in 1903 to vatican city, though, for real.
Speaker 2:Um well, that's why they give them like three weeks between the death and the. That's true conclave.
Speaker 1:Well, they have to let he lies in state right he does, but I'll bet really it was.
Speaker 2:So people back in the day had time to get to where they needed to be. Well, you got to find out the Pope died first.
Speaker 1:That's true also, and then you got to make plans. They didn't have Google.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, they didn't even have phones. Holding a conclave to elect a Pope is a tradition that goes back centuries, centuries. The practice was established in 1274 under pope gregory the 10th, in reaction to the chaos surrounding his own election, which lasted nearly three years. Uh, the tradition is old, but the results can be surprising, as when francis himself was elected in 2013 as the first non-European pope in almost 1300 years and the first Jesuit pope ever, ever, ever, ever. All right, so the conclave begins. Before the conclave, the College of Cardinals will meet in what are called general congregations to discuss issues facing the church. These general congregations will also be an opportunity for cardinals and those from distant geographical locations to get to know their fellow cardinals. This can be a time for politicking. In times past, the politicking was rumored to include bribes for votes, as was alleged in the election of Alexander VI, a Borgia Pope, borgia in 1492, when Columbus sailed the ocean blue.
Speaker 2:That's the code for the bathroom at work too, and I just like who is the geek that came up with this code? Nowadays it is considered to be bad form and bad luck for a cardinal to lobby for himself as a candidate. Buying votes by giving money or favors to cardinals is called simony and or simony and is against church law. So I'm sure they don't do it then, if it's against right, they don't do it.
Speaker 1:It's cardinal law wink, wink um.
Speaker 2:Two to three weeks after the papal funeral. Oh so it's after the funeral. Yeah, that's even longer, two to three weeks after the papal funeral. The conc. It's after the funeral. Yeah, that's even longer. Two to three weeks after the papal funeral, the conclave will begin. The cardinals will first make a procession to the sistine chapel, where electronic jamming devices will have been set up to prevent eavesdropping and wi-fi and cell phone usage.
Speaker 1:That's intense it really is like I mean, come on, is it really that like seriously?
Speaker 2:is it jury duty or what?
Speaker 1:he's dropping on that like who's like? What's that you?
Speaker 2:say it's cnn at say file into the chapel. The cardinals will sing sing in Latin the hymn Come, holy Spirit. They will then vow on a book of the Gospels to keep the conclave proceeding secret. After these rituals, the master of papal liturgical celebrations will say out loud in Latin Extra Omnes, which means everyone out, everybody out, everybody out, everybody out. I feel like the Latin words are easier to pronounce than the other words the doors of the Sistine Chapel. That says chapter, but I'm going to say it's supposed to say chapel. I agree, it will be locked and the conclave will begin. We're going to pick up the Pope. The voting process. The cardinals electing the pope will be seated in order of rank. Usually the dean of the college of cardinals is seated in the first position, but the current dean, cardinal giovanni batista ray, is over the eligible voting age and will not participate in the conclave. Instead, this papal election will be led by the Vatican Secretary of State, cardinal Pietro Perolin. So is it?
Speaker 1:all. It can't be all 135 of them, right? I think it is. Seems like a lot. Yeah, I think it is, it seems like a lot. Yeah, mm-hmm, you'd think they'd have senators and representatives, and then they'd vote up yeah exactly.
Speaker 2:Why doesn't?
Speaker 1:everybody do things the way we do them. It's so much easier.
Speaker 2:We'd have to learn things. I lost my place when the cardinals have. Okay, when the cardinals have assembled, nine will be chosen at random to elect the to run the election. Uh, with three of them being scrutinizers who will examine the ballots and read them aloud. No cheating. I mean again is it like this? No, cheating.
Speaker 1:Okay, seems like a lot, seems like a lot.
Speaker 2:What if somebody keeps like extra ballots up their sleeve or something?
Speaker 1:What if they just put like Bart Simpson?
Speaker 2:Oh, there you go Every time.
Speaker 1:What do they do? Write-ins, I think it's all write-ins, I I know, but like they have an idea right, they probably have like four people that they're like you gotta pick one of these clowns and then yeah, I think in the movie it was like a bunch of them at first.
Speaker 2:Yeah, then they wear, then they pare it down and they see who's it's like. It's a big popularity contest right, they probably vote for themselves. Yeah me, they all about to say 135 different votes.
Speaker 1:It's all me, all different people and they're like no, you can't vote for yourself. Oh damn it. And then they're like hey, if you vote for me, I'll vote for you yeah, and so then we get it still still yeah, although there's always going to be fuddy duddies that are like no, I can't vote for myself. I'm not voting for anybody, all right.
Speaker 2:After writing down the names of their chosen candidates, the Cardinals will bring their ballots to the front of the chapel and place them on a plate that is set on top of an urn in front of the scrutinizers. I'm sorry, that name is too much for me. I'm too immature for that. Using the plate to drop the ballot into the urn, they will say I call as my witness Christ, the Lord, who will be my judge, that my vote is given to the one who, before God, I think should be elected. A new pope is elected by a two-thirds majority. If this majority is not reached during the first ballot, the ballots will be burned in a stove. Black smoke rising through the Sistine Chapel's chimney will signal to the outside world that the election is still ongoing, a tradition that began with the election of Benedict XV in 1914. Chemical additives are used to make sure the smoke is black because during the election of John Paul II, there was confusion over the smoke's color.
Speaker 1:I think with one of the ones I was watching it was like, is that white or is it black? And then it would like, because it would start out like gray and then it turns black. I feel like I remember that that. Yeah, maybe that was last time. I I the last two conclaves I haven't been like a because I didn't work that much so I had time on my hands and cnn. So when they start the conclave back up, you bet your ass. I I'm going to be checking for the smoke.
Speaker 2:Following the first day and on the days thereafter, there will be up to four ballots a day if a two-thirds majority is not reached. Both Benedict XVI and Francis were elected after relatively few ballots Four in the case of Benedict, five with Francis. According to rules set by Benedict, if a new pope is not chosen after 13 days, there will be a day of prayer and reflection. Then the election will be between the top two candidates, one of whom must receive a two-thirds majority. This new rule, some commentators have suggested could lead to a longer or even deadlocked conclave, because a compromised candidate is less likely to emerge.
Speaker 1:They have like Pope I and Pope II, like dueling popes.
Speaker 2:Like on the Office, when they have the manager and the assistant manager, pope and assistant pope, because they're old guys. So then when one doesn't feel good, the other one can do it and do the work.
Speaker 1:I think we just solved it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there we go all right. Next, the room of tears. Conclaves are usually short, such as the three ballot election that chose Pope Pius XII in 1939. On a few occasions, deliberations have been quite long, the longest being the 1740 papal conclave, which elected Benedict XIV and lasted 181 days.
Speaker 1:Oh my god, I don't want to wait 181 days for a new pope. I can't watch CNN that much, that much I know for real.
Speaker 2:Didn't we read about one earlier?
Speaker 1:that was three years I don't know, I can't remember what I said. I know you know what everybody.
Speaker 2:When people talk about previous episodes, I'm like I have no idea what I said like multiple times a week, at least two times a week, jeopardy has a clue. That is something relevant to something that we have talked about, like it happened last week and I can't even remember the category or anything, but my husband spun his head and looked at me because he knew that we had done an episode about it and I was like we didn't even talk about.
Speaker 1:No wait, yeah, yeah, we definitely talked about that oh well, sad, I know, so I don't remember what you talked about 40 minutes ago.
Speaker 2:Okay, good, hopefully nobody else does either. Don't pay attention to us, but regardless of the time frame, a new pope will be chosen. Once a candidate receives enough votes, he is asked Do you accept your canonical election as Supreme?
Speaker 1:Pontiff.
Speaker 2:By saying excepto or I accept, he becomes the new leader of the Catholic Church. This time, the ballots will be burned to create white smoke that will tell the world that the conclave has ended and that a new pope has been chosen.
Speaker 2:And then they hold him up like simba from the lion king. Immediately after being elected, the new pope decides on his name, as jorge mario bargo did when he was the first pope to choose the name, francis. The choice of a name, especially one of an immediate predecessor, often indicates the direction of the new pope's pontificate. In Francis's case, his name honored Francis of Assisi, a 13th century mystic known for his simplicity and love of nature.
Speaker 1:I remember that.
Speaker 2:Uh-huh, a lot of people have garden statues of St Francis. Yeah With like the hands and the birds yeah. The new pope is then led to the Room of Tears. That sounds terrifying.
Speaker 1:I've been in a Room of Tears. It's not fun. That sounds terrifying. I've been in a room of tears. This is not fun.
Speaker 2:Same In this chamber, off the Sistine Chapel, he will have moments to reflect on the burdens of his position, which have often brought new popes to tears. He will put on a white cassock and other signs of his office. His election will be announced from the balcony of St Peter's Basilica.
Speaker 1:That's where they hold him out.
Speaker 2:Yes, From the balcony, the new Pope will greet the crowd below and deliver his first blessing to the world. A new pontificate will have begun.
Speaker 1:I do remember when he was picking his name that they said he was probably going to go for something humbling.
Speaker 2:Somebody like that.
Speaker 1:I can't. I just love the whole show of it. But like what happens if you're like no, I don't want to be a pope, nah, I'm good.
Speaker 2:Well, like what if they vote you and they like come to you and they're like yo excepto or not excepto, and he's like no, not excepto no habla anglaise, no speak of the latin yeah, I mean, and and even like, once you go into the room of tears, what if you go in there and you're like you know what?
Speaker 1:Like what if God sends you a vision and it's like the total end of the world and you're like I'm good, I don't really want to do that. Like I see some four horsemen come in and I feel like I don't know that I want to be part of that whole thing.
Speaker 2:It's like when Biden had to take over COVID. Yes.
Speaker 1:That is one of the four horsemen Disease. Oh my God. Yeah, I don't know. I wonder what would happen, like I wonder. I guess it has to be a cardinal right.
Speaker 2:I wonder if any of them don't want to be pope, and I think, yes, it has to be a cardinal, right? I wonder if any of them don't want to be pope, and I think, yes, you have to be a cardinal, because there's like steps, it's like the Girl Scouts Right, start as a brownie. Huh, work your way up to eagle. Work your way up.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I don't know, maybe like when they're all in the little room getting to know each other prior to going in, if you didn't want to be you go around and tell everybody I do not want to be not vote for me, I am not interested, I will beat you down in your few.
Speaker 2:For me I don't want to hear my name come out that earn. Keep your name out, my I don't know, I wonder.
Speaker 1:I wonder if any of them have like just I mean, obviously they can't tell us, because I guess that's a whole secret I just can't imagine any of them would make it as far as cardinal and not want to be a pope. I guess. But it's not like you get a point. I mean, it's not like you're running to be cardinal.
Speaker 2:You get a point, what do you get out of it?
Speaker 1:Really, I mean, if you're a cardinal, you probably have the same shit, except you're not living in Vatican City. Like you're in a nice place to live. Like the Cardinal of New York. He's an archbishop now, by the way. You know. He's probably got like a nice little place in New York and he just gets in, he's on. I've seen him on all kinds of shit on.
Speaker 2:TV. That is true. What if you just really like your job Exactly?
Speaker 1:Like, like your job, exactly like what, if you just don't want to go, you don't want to move to?
Speaker 2:the vatican. Yeah, I don't want to move to the vatican, I don't want to drive around in the popemobile.
Speaker 1:I don't know, I don't want to have to find my way around that house. Yeah, it's a lot, it's ugly, it's a lot of gold, not a big fan.
Speaker 2:People want to see me all the time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, screw that, noise dead people buried in there yeah, that's why they put the popes yeah, and like under the floorboards it's like john wayne gacy's house, I don't know, I guess, I guess, I guess that's what you would would say hey, I don't want to, don't pick me yeah, I.
Speaker 2:I think probably long before they all gather, they have an idea. Yeah, even if they don't know each other, like especially nowadays.
Speaker 1:Yeah, probably because I do remember if I remember correctly, they had it narrowed down like CNN had it narrowed down to like three or four that it could be.
Speaker 2:It's like the NFL draft.
Speaker 1:Yeah, who's going first? Who are they making first?
Speaker 2:Where will Shador Sanders go in the draft? That's all I keep hearing about.
Speaker 1:So I was. We took a second because I wanted to see A if the New York guy.
Speaker 2:Timothy Dolan could be Pope.
Speaker 1:Yes, he could, but he is not a frontrunner, according to Google.
Speaker 1:So then we went down a rabbit hole of who the frontrunners are, and then we found that you can bet because that's what degenerates we are that you can bet on bet 365 for the next pope. So they have it as uh. The odds are that pietro perlin that she spoke of, that's like the head guy. He's got the best odds at 15 to 8 as 35 probability. Uh-huh. Luis antonio tagle is three to one, mateo zuppi is seven to one and pedro erdo is nine to one. It's ten percent. So it's like betting the ponies, one of let's see, let's talk about who those people are.
Speaker 2:We are definitely going to hell now.
Speaker 1:We held it together so good through the whole thing.
Speaker 2:And we ended up here.
Speaker 1:So Parolin has taken more than 30% of the bets in the next Pope odds market through Odds Checker. Filipino Cardinal Luis Antonio Tagle is a distant second with a 16.5% share. Tagle is the second favorite with odds of 3-1 out from 13 to five at the start of tuesday, reflecting strong support for a progressive successor to pope. Francis tagle, 67 young, aligns closely with francis's vision of a more inclusive church, having advocated for a softer approach towards marginalized group. His extensive experience in evangelization and his Asian heritage also makes him a compelling choice as Catholicism rapidly grows in Asia. Once seen as a frontrunner in the 2013 conclave, cardinal Angelo Scola is no longer considered a viable candidate by many to become Pope, and now he's out to 20 to 1. Oh, is he too old? Now he's 83. He can't vote True. Ghana's Cardinal Turk is sent a prominent figure in church.
Speaker 2:My doctor is from Ghana.
Speaker 1:Now has odds of 10 to one. Now I have a rooting interest. I love my doctor. Leading voice for social social justice, he represents the growing influence of African Catholics. At 76, his age might work against him, but his Vatican experience and advocacy for economic, environmental reforms could appeal to a wide range of cardinals.
Speaker 2:So I don't know it sounds like they don't really know.
Speaker 1:I mean, 35% is not not that. That's not that good of odds, like if I, if I was betting the ponies, I would be deaf, which, by the way, is coming up very rapidly um, man, speaking of which real quick side note I looked up ticket prices for uh, which one was it?
Speaker 2:it wasn't the pre, maybe it was the Preakness.
Speaker 1:In Baltimore.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the Preakness, it's so expensive. No, it's the Belmont, it's Belmont.
Speaker 1:Belmont. That's what it was. No, wait, is it Wait? No, the Belmont's in New York. Yeah, it's the Preakness.
Speaker 2:Yeah, kentucky yeah, so anyway, tickets were like outrageous even for the field. Yes, like almost 300 bucks, I want to say. And then it was an additional like 75 to 200 to park and you gotta pay to park in baltimore, yeah, yeah, and they're probably shuttling, shuffling people in like shuttling them like I was, like I don't know that seems like that's too much. I do want to wear the hat, though I know, and I love a mint julep on a derby day. I don't care for mint julep.
Speaker 2:I don't drink them any other time of the year, but there's something about I want to wear a hat, yeah. I'll drink your mint julep? Okay, we'll get you one.
Speaker 1:You can take a sip of the jerby that's not the.
Speaker 2:Anyway, we digress, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're not talking about horses, sorry, we're talking about popes oh, we're betting on popes, not ponies.
Speaker 2:Popes, yes, yes it's a different word.
Speaker 1:So yeah, um, you can bet on that. I knew I had a feeling when I started going down that rabbit hole that there was this place and and nicole was like, can draft kings? And I was like, no bet 365 yeah, I bet drafting.
Speaker 2:I said it as a joke, but then, as I said it, I was like no, you can actually bet on anything.
Speaker 1:So I bet every single one of those sites has has pope odds right now. All right, that's disrespectful. Okay, I was gonna go bit, I was gonna go put some money no, no, no, no for the to them, not to you.
Speaker 2:I mean, if it's there, you should use it.
Speaker 1:I'm good, I might. I might put money on the um, the filipino or the ganon, because I think they're gonna go. I mean, it's been white guys this whole time, always, always, and then I don't know.
Speaker 2:I think, I think I'm gonna put my money well, you know what I think of it in an american context, and america is probably not ready for a black or asian pope. But the rest of the world is a lot less close-minded than we are, so it's way better than us, oh yeah, so I think I think I might.
Speaker 1:I might lay some money down on this. I'm gonna keep checking the odds on that pope.
Speaker 2:Pope yeah, like if it goes up.
Speaker 1:I wonder if it's like all of them that are eligible and then you can just like put like is Timothy Dolan like 100 to 1? Because I'll throw some $2 down.
Speaker 2:That's what I was going to say. What if, like, one of them is like 2,000 to 1, if he's like the 100th one? What if?
Speaker 1:these cardinals put fucking money down on one of these and they're like, hey, we're all gonna put money down on this guy. Well, we gotta find out who they're putting their money on. And then, but then, because you'll see, because the odds will start to rose it we will be. The odds will all drop, and then somebody will drop down to two to one, and then we'll be like, well, that's totally the guy yeah, but I always, always bet the long shot always.
Speaker 2:I wonder if you can do a trifecta of first, second, third. Oh man, Not that I've ever bet horses before. No, we never. We have no idea what we're talking about.
Speaker 1:No, I never bet the Derby, ever. Nope, I'm not this year.
Speaker 2:I didn't last year Like honest to God. The first one came up and is the Derby the first one Is it?
Speaker 1:Oh OK, First First Saturday in May Coming up quick.
Speaker 2:And like my sister-in-law text us that Saturday and was like who you got? And I was like what the Derby's?
Speaker 1:today.
Speaker 2:Like I was that far you know what it like, what the derby's today. Like I was that far you know what it creeped up on me last year too. Yeah, and I don't know why, but I don't know. I like to go to a casino, if I can, and place a bet. Maybe bet a couple other races, not at that site, but a couple local ones. Um, I have a mint julep, like that's tip, like I, I'm actually drinking out of a derby glass right now. Um, because we went for like four years in a row, so I have one from each year you know what I did?
Speaker 1:one of my first times in vegas was I bet delaware park in vegas.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just because I could, I would totally do that too. So that's so stupid.
Speaker 1:I think I was taking a break from losing money at other things that I was like you know what Ponies are good for that. Yes, because it's $2. It's $2.
Speaker 2:And then you got to wait too. Yeah, so you go make your bed.
Speaker 1:For two whole minutes.
Speaker 2:Sometimes I'm racing up there when it says zero minutes post time and getting my bed in Other and getting my bed in Other times. I'm like, let me take that 10-15 minute one and just sit here and relax.
Speaker 1:I bet odds and names. I don't know nothing about horses. Same here I don't know anything about anything horse related.
Speaker 2:I just bet names. I think I tried eavesdropping a few times on people, but the way they cuss and throw shit around there, they clearly don't know what they're doing either.
Speaker 1:The horse could be like the best horse ever and the long shot just comes out of nowhere and wins. Yes, yep, wasn't Smarty Jones a long shot? No, who was a long shot? A real big long shot won not that long ago. Not that long it might have been last year it might have been, or two years ago, I don't remember yesterday, so I don't remember.
Speaker 2:I remember when Smarty raced, I was working at Dover Downs. I remember Smarty and we went to have a Smarty party and we were cocktail waitresses and we tortured our supervisor, Frank, and we would beg for a Smarty. Oh well, I actually know what it was. They were having a Smarty party for the rich people, right, but it what it was. They were having a smarty party for the rich people, right, but it didn't involve smarties and we were very disappointed. Yeah, I wouldn't.
Speaker 2:I don't blame you we complained a lot about that and our supervisor didn't like it, you know what it is.
Speaker 1:I think I used to be way into the horse. I mean, you remember we were way into you know what it is, I think because there was a triple crown winner and so now it's like, yeah, it's not as exciting anymore for whatever reason.
Speaker 2:That is very, very true.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like we've been just holding out for that Triple Crown we also don't go to casinos as much as we used to. That is also true, yeah.
Speaker 2:Because my husband and I would just make a date of it. We'd take 20 bucks each and go down and just bet ponies, because you win 13 bucks here, eight bucks there. So you can keep playing for a little while, as long as you pace yourself. But yeah, good old days disposable income not even yeah exactly all right, that's. We gotta shut it down now, yeah we're getting, we're getting rowdy, we're getting rowdy.
Speaker 1:We're teetering on disrespectful.
Speaker 2:We just took another pause and things are getting very dark. It's really not yeah.
Speaker 1:So that was very informative, poping it up.
Speaker 2:It was.
Speaker 1:It was kind of neat, although you did not bring up the Popemobile.
Speaker 2:All right, well, real quick. So the Popemobile was made of bulletproof glass after pope john paul the second had an assassination attempt on him yes and then pope francis decided he did not want he wanted to be shot exactly, although I still do like the comedian's joke of um, why do they have bulletproof glass? What are they afraid? They afraid they're going to die and go to heaven.
Speaker 1:That's true.
Speaker 2:Didn't Pope John Paul II get shot at twice? I felt like that when I was reading it, but maybe the same person shot two bullets.
Speaker 1:We did just look it up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we just took another pause because we just really it's a shit show here today.
Speaker 1:I don't know what's going on. I don't either.
Speaker 2:But yeah, she looked it up and, although I thought I sounded like an idiot saying it, it was two bullets. It was two bullets. Yes, I do remember things once and every blue moon.
Speaker 1:I mean, I thought it was two different attempts, so yeah between the two of us. We'll figure it out and if you, want to really confirm it.
Speaker 2:Before you talk to anybody else, look it up first, don't go by whatever, we Google everything unless you like fake news, then go for it.
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