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Grab your axes and prepare to journey into the Overlook Hotel as we celebrate the 45th anniversary of Stanley Kubrick's divisive masterpiece, "The Shining." What makes this psychological horror film continue to haunt viewers nearly half a century later? Why did Stephen King despise what Kubrick did to his novel? And what happened to the little boy who played Danny?
We explore the film's troubled production history, including Shelley Duvall's traumatic experience under Kubrick's demanding direction and Jack Nicholson's decision to stop memorizing constantly changing scripts. The artistic battle between King and Kubrick reveals fundamental differences in how they viewed evil, madness, and human agency – making this film a perfect vessel for examining our own views on these themes.
Between our deep dive into cinematic history, we share vital mental health resources for Mental Health Awareness Month, emphasizing that while "mental illness is not your fault, it is your responsibility." We also reflect on the difference between horror movies and psychological thrillers, sharing our personal relationships with scary films and what makes them effective at getting under our skin.
Whether you're a devoted fan who can quote "Here's Johnny!" with perfect timing or someone who's been meaning to watch this classic for years, our conversation offers fresh insights into this landmark film that continues to spark debate, analysis, and occasional nightmares. Join us for a conversation that, like the Overlook Hotel itself, contains multitudes – and maybe a few ghosts.
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Speaker 2:Welcome to Like Whatever a podcast for. By and about Gen X. I'm Nicole and this is my BFFF, heather. Hello, so how was your week?
Speaker 3:It's alright, it's, it's uh, yep, yep, it's all right. Okay, we both had a week yeah, yeah, mine totally sucked ass.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, I'm not gonna talk about that we we're.
Speaker 3:Neither one of us is gonna talk about that.
Speaker 2:No, I, so instead I found some random other things to talk about. Um. So, first and foremost, netflix has picked up sesame street.
Speaker 3:No, I saw that. That's so exciting, it's so exciting.
Speaker 2:I'm so happy. I figured somebody would at some point and I'm proud to be a netflix uh member I'm actually surprised it wasn't disney to be perfectly honest, they buy everything, yeah, and in one of the muppet, weren't they all jim henson's to begin with? Muppet, weren't they all?
Speaker 1:jim henson's to begin with.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know, but yeah, sesame street will live on. Yay, yay, um. And then I just needed to talk about this and I know it's not appropriate, but I'm gonna do it anyway. I know because I listened to npr today and just talking to family members and people that work at the hospital and the pregnant woman, um, who's on life support. I can't even because she is in a no abortion state. That's just awful. So she I want to say she was having migraines.
Speaker 2:I'm not exactly sure what it almost sounded like a brain aneurysm, maybe. Maybe she went brain dead and the hospital is keeping her alive. She was only just barely over eight weeks, and eight weeks is the cutoff in this state, not this state. I can't remember what the state was.
Speaker 3:A stupid state. Sorry whoever's from that state, but it's stupid. Yes, you need to fix that.
Speaker 2:Get out and vote. So, yeah, it's just absolutely horrible and apparently also the baby is going to be born, more likely than not, with any number of disabilities from being blind to having learning disabilities, deformities, any number of things.
Speaker 3:Never mind the psychological that it's going to have after. It's sentient enough to know that its mother was kept alive by machines. Yes, yes.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes.
Speaker 3:It's absolutely wretched and it's just blows my mind that anyone would ever think this is the best option of people saying, you know, they donated their person's organs and they did not realize what it took, because it takes like a week for them to be able. They don't just take them right away, right um in well some cases. But the one lady specifically her son, had a very rare blood type so they had. It took like a week for them to find homes for all his organs, so they had to keep him alive, and she said she just could not believe how much it took to keep him alive, or his body alive, his organs alive, because you start shutting down immediately.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean yeah, your brain and your body know you're dead. Yeah, for all intents and purposes, yeah, that's just, it's just awful, it's sickening, it's really sick, and so just this is what we're talking about when we're talking about abortion being legal and illegal. These are the issues that come up. It's not the welfare mom that's getting pregnant and having abortions whenever she feels like it, like it. That's not what it is. No, anyway, yeah, okay, I just needed to get that off my chest. Yes, yeah, uh, and finally, in better news, the tush push will live on for.
Speaker 2:Another season, not for the Green Bay Packers. God, they're being whiny about it. Did you see the vote?
Speaker 1:and the score.
Speaker 2:I did so. The vote to keep it was 22 to 11. And we beat them 22 to 11. Yeah, so yeah, if you don't like it, figure out a way to beat it Just stop it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, get stronger. I don't know what to tell you. I don't know what to tell you. There's got, practice it. If you know you're gonna play them, practice it and like find a way yeah but nobody else has a roman god like us at quarterback. Good lord we're not talking about Randall here, I mean come on.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean in form. Yes, he does work very hard. I know, I know, I'm sure he's yes, it's just.
Speaker 3:It is a little ridiculous Like just learn to figure it out, stop crying, yeah, don't let it happen. It has been stopped. Yes, there are teams who have stopped it. Yes, yes, not washington, no and not green bay. No, but you're crying. Yeah, it's fucking football. Man up, will you exactly jeez a bunch of fucking girls. Um, I did want to bring up one thing that we have been severely lacking in the last month. It is a mental health awareness month and since we both have mental health issues we really so many so many, so very many.
Speaker 3:Um, we really should have been, you know, toting it, but so I just wanted to take one second and um to give you some numbers if you need them or if you know somebody. So immediate crisis support you can hit 988, that's the suicide and crisis lifeline. Call or text 988 or chat at 988. Lifelineelineorg. The service is free, confidential and available 24-7, 365 for anyone experiencing a suicidal mental health and or substance use-related crisis. You can text HOME to 741741. This service provides free, confidential, 24-7 support via text for any type of crisis.
Speaker 3:The National Alliance on Mental Illness is you can call them at 1-800-950-NAMI, which is 6264. You can also text NAMI to 62640. Or you can email the helpline at namiorg. I don't know if it's nami or nimi, but you get it. Substance Abuse and Mental Health Service Administration National Helpline is 1-800-662-HELP, that's 4357. This helpline offers confidential treatment, referral and information services in English and Spanish for mental disorders and or substance use disorders. And then Mental Health America phone number 703-684-7722, toll free 800-969-6642. And they provide support resources and advocacy for mental health for two. And they provide support resources and advocacy for mental health.
Speaker 3:There are also a lot of other um the, the trevor project for our lgbtq plus friends 1-866 678-678 to connect with a counselor via text, or visit trevorchatorg for online chat. And then there is the jed foundation 212-647-7544. Jed focuses on protecting emotional health and preventing suicide for teens and young adults. So there you have it. If you need help or you know someone who needs help. We're coming also up on Pride Month, so you know we are, have always been and will always be allies to the community. Um, we both spent a lot of time in and around the lgbtq plus community and we both know many people in the community. Um, so yeah, yep, yep, um also, I just want to say one more thing and then we can move onorg.
Speaker 3:Um, my favorite podcast, as you know, is Last Podcast on the Left and Marcus Parks of Last Podcast on the Left. His thing is and it's one of the greatest quotes I've ever heard that mental illness is not your fault, but it is your responsibility. Yes, and I could not agree more that you are indeed responsible for your own health and seeking help, and you are. If you're on, if you have medication, you need medication, it is your responsibility to take that medication.
Speaker 3:And yes it is not your fault, but it is your responsibility to take that medication. Yes, it is not your fault, but it is your responsibility, so that's a great quote.
Speaker 2:Yep, that's all I have to say about that, and my life is exponentially better since I have been on regular medication.
Speaker 3:I would say that but I want massive amounts of medication. I guess it's better, I don't know. Massive amounts of medication. I guess it's better. Oh no, I think I need to have that dna test where they can find out exactly what medications work for you. Yes, that's pretty cool. I mean, I like what I'm on now, but sometimes well, the problem is it only treats one issue and I have multiple, so but I can't take all of that to kind of counteract like that yeah, sorry, I have to.
Speaker 3:I have to go alone on my anxiety and that's not always good.
Speaker 2:Yeah all right. So, yes, if you need help, please utilize those resources, um, and reach out to somebody. There aren't always the best mental health services out there, but there are people out there who care very much and are there to help you. So keep looking if you can't find what you need. So before we get started, I would like to ask everyone to like share rate review on any of the socials. You can find us wherever you listen to podcasts. Obvi Follow us on all the socials at likewhateverpod and we are on YouTube at likewhatever. Capital L, capital W, and you can send an email to likewhateverpod at gmailcom. All right, now that we've gotten that out of the way, let's fuck around and find out about the movie the Shining so excited so I find that each week it's better if I let an idea come to me.
Speaker 3:And it got very last minute, this time, and nothing was coming to me, drives me and heather was texting me what's the topic and I'm like I don't know, I am a planner. I don't like things being out like I am.
Speaker 2:Drives me nuts yeah, I think I'm not diagnosed adhd, but if I am, I definitely have the trait of waiting until the very last minute to do anything. I always thought it was procrastination, but apparently that's a huge sign of ADHD.
Speaker 3:What's my excuse then? Because I don't think I have ADHD. I just don't. I don't know.
Speaker 2:So yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:So I just Googled on this day and put in May 23rd and turns out that Friday May 23rd, the day that this episode drops, is the 45th anniversary of the Shining. It came out in 1980. It's a psychological horror film that's based on the 1977 novel of the same name. It is the first film in the shining franchise, which I've never seen. Anyone beyond that because I did, I don't I saw the newest one did you? Was it any good dr sleep? Was it wait? Did I see duck?
Speaker 2:no, it's not bad I actually I don't know. I want to say I saw the commercials and thought I might actually want to see it?
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's not bad Okay, maybe. I'll give it a go. It's Danny, as a grown up.
Speaker 2:That's neat because I have information about Danny in real life as a grown up. All right, anyway, it was directed, produced and written by Stanley Kubrick, which is funny because my mother's maiden name is K Brick. I did not know that. Now I can no longer use that as my secret question.
Speaker 3:Everybody Let me tell you what bank she's at.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm very, very German for a mother. Let me tell you what bank she's at. Yeah, I'm very, very German. My mom's last name was Kay Brick and my dad's last name and my main name is Egler, and before we came over on the boat it was Von Egler. So, yeah, a lot of German. So anyway, uh, and it was also written with Diane Johnson. The film stars Jack Nicholson, shelley Duvall, danny Lloyd and the Scat Scat Crothers Scat.
Speaker 1:Men.
Speaker 2:Crothers. I don't know what happened there, all right. So for those of you who haven't seen it in a really long time, because I'm going to assume all of you have seen it.
Speaker 3:If not, stop right now and go watch it.
Speaker 2:Yes, because you have missed out. You really have. The plot is Jack Torrance arrives at the Overlook Hotel to interview for the open position of winter caretaker. The hotel itself is built on the site of an Indian burial ground and becomes completely snowbound during the long winters. Manager Stuart Ullman warns him that a previous caretaker got cabin fever and killed his whole family and himself. Jack's son, danny, has esp and has had a terrifying premonition about the hotel. Jack's wife, wendy, tells a visiting doctor about danny's imaginary friend, tony, and that jack had given up drinking because he had physically abused Danny after a binge. Oh, such a good movie. Oh my God.
Speaker 2:The family arrives at the hotel on closing day and is given a tour. The head chef, dick Halloran, surprises Danny by speaking with him telepathically and offering him some ice cream. He explains to Danny that he and his grandmother shared a gift which he calls shining. Danny asks if there is anything to be afraid of in the hotel, particularly room 237. Halloran tells Danny that the hotel itself has a shine to it, along with many memories, not all of which are good. He strictly warns Danny to avoid room 237. Because you know when you tell a kid not to do something I'm.
Speaker 3:from now on, I think I'm going to start staying in hotels and asking specifically for room 237.
Speaker 2:I bet it happens.
Speaker 3:I have no doubt that it does.
Speaker 2:And there's something about the room number later too.
Speaker 3:Is that going to be in your fun facts?
Speaker 2:I don't remember if it's in the fun facts, but a lot of this was all fun facts too, Besides the plot.
Speaker 3:There's a lot of stuff surrounding this movie.
Speaker 2:Yes, all right. So a month passes and Jack's writing project is going nowhere. Meanwhile, danny and Wendy have fun and go to in the hotel's hedge maze. Jack discovers a model of this maze showing Wendy and Danny inside it. In one of the hotel lounges, wendy is concerned about the phone lines being out due to the heavy snowfall and Danny has more frightening frightening visions as time passes.
Speaker 2:Jack slowly starts acting strange and frustrated, often prone to violent outbursts. Danny's curiosity about room 237 finally gets the better of him. Like I said, when he sees the room, has the room door has been opened? Uh. Later danny shows up injured and visibly traumatized, causing Wendy to think that Jack has abused Danny again. Jack wanders into the hotel's gold room where he meets the ghostly bartender Lloyd, who serves him bourbon on the rocks. Jack complains to the bartender about his relationship with Wendy. Afterward, wendy shows up and apologizes for accusing Jack, explaining that Danny told her a crazy woman in one of the rooms was responsible for his injuries. Jack investigates room 237 and encounters a ghost named Lorraine as a young, naked woman in the bathroom having a bath, who comes out and kisses him, and I remember that scene as a kid and I was like, oh my god, she's totally naked. Like why is my mother letting me watch this?
Speaker 3:I mean the shit we were allowed to watch. I mean we shouldn't even be allowed to watch the shining.
Speaker 2:Now I would actually pull myself out of rooms when they were watching scary like something I had already seen or that I'd seen parts of, and I'd be like'm going to go play over here.
Speaker 3:I have no business watching this movie. I'm going to go play because I'm Entirely too young for this. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm going to have nightmares, for sure, and then you're going to yell at me for screaming in the middle of the night.
Speaker 3:I never had nightmares about scary movies.
Speaker 2:I don't remember if I did used to have a recurring nightmare when I was four and we lived in the trailer park and that the trees were aliens and we'd always be in the car. We had a Subaru and I'd be in the floor in the back seat because I was so scared, and the tree aliens would walk up and say take me to your leader.
Speaker 3:That's what aliens did when we were kids. That's what aliens did in the 80s.
Speaker 2:That's what aliens said in the 80s, and my mom would always be like no in her I could see that yeah, so yeah totally.
Speaker 3:I used to tell my sister that, um, there were aliens and that when I turned her light on and off, I was signaling the aliens to come get her. Oh, she would get so mad because I would just stand there and just flick, turned her light on and off. I was signaling the aliens to come get her. Oh, she would get so mad because I would just stand there and just flick the light switch on and off, I'd be like they're coming for you. Oh my gosh. Oh, she'd just get so mad.
Speaker 3:She deserved it, though she did. She was a horrible kid.
Speaker 2:During that kiss she then morphs into a rather oldting woman who chases jack out, cackling at his infidelity. Jack tells wendy he saw nothing. Wendy and jack argue about whether danny should be removed from the hotel and jack returns to the gold room, now filled with ghosts having a costume party. Uh, here he meets who he believes is the ghost of the previous caretaker, Grady, who tells Jack that he has to correct his wife and child. Later, Jack sabotages the hotel's two-way radio and the snowcat by removing several relays and its magneto respectively, cutting off communication and access to the outside world. Meanwhile, in Florida, Halloran gets a premonition that something is wrong at the hotel and takes a flight back to Colorado to investigate. Danny starts calling out the word red rum frantically and goes into a trance, now referring to himself as Tony Wendy discovers Jack's typewriter and that he has been typing endless pages of a repetitive manuscript. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
Speaker 3:Or if you're watching the Simpsons all work and no play makes Homer something something Go crazy. Don't mind if I do. I say that to my sister all the time formatted in various styles uh, horrified.
Speaker 2:She confronts jack, but he attacks her before she knocks him unconscious with a baseball bat and locks him in a kitchen pantry. Jack converses through the door with grady, who then unlocks the door, releasing him actually I had to, had to slide to you.
Speaker 3:The Simpsons is no TV and no beer makes home, or?
Speaker 2:something.
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, tony, I should correct that, because I know somebody's going to be mad about that. Uh-oh, I remembered.
Speaker 2:Yes, all right. So Tony has written Red Rob in lipstick on the door of Wendy's bedroom, which is murder, spelled backwards.
Speaker 1:It is indeed.
Speaker 2:As seen from a mirror. At that moment, jack, armed with a fire axe, begins to chop through the door leading to his family's living quarters. In a frantic maneuver, wendy sends Danny out through the bathroom window, but is unable to fit through it herself. Jack then starts chopping down the bathroom door with an axe and leers through the hole he has made, yelling the iconic here's Johnny.
Speaker 2:But retreats after Wendy slashes his hand with a butcher knife, but retreats after Wendy slashes his hand with a butcher knife, hearing the engine of a snowcat that Halloran has borrowed to get up the mountain. Jack leaves the room and begins to wander about the hotel, ambushing and killing Halloran with an axe in the lobby. Jack then pursues Danny into the hedge maze by following his footprints, but is misled when Danny manages to walk backward in his own tracks and leaps behind a corner covering his tracks with snow. Wendy and Danny escape in Holleran's snowcat while Jack slowly freezes to death in the hedge maze. In the final scene, the camera slowly zooms in on an old photograph taken at the hotel on july 4th 1921, as midnight the stars and you is playing through the hallways. A smiling jack turance is at the front of the crowd of revelers, in which it is revealed in a documentary that it is an old incarnation of Jack Do-do-do-do.
Speaker 3:Oh, that's a different show Also excellent.
Speaker 2:Yes, I did used to love the old black and white. Oh my God, the one with fucking oh, my God. Yeah, I actually found it. I'll look at the old TV stations once in a while to try to find old things and I found the old black and white ones and it was this man. He was a businessman, good dad, husband, and he just started going crazy and it was so good, like the psychological thrillers were the best back then.
Speaker 3:The William Shatner one with the gremlin. I don't know if I remember that one, oh my god on the plane. That does sound a little familiar yeah he keeps looking out on the plane wing and the gremlins out there pulling shit off and he's trying to yeah, yeah, oh, that one's scary okay, okay.
Speaker 2:All right, now we're going to talk about casting Nicholas. So Kubrick was the man who made the Shining, in case you missed that from earlier. So Nicholas was Kubrick's first choice for the role of Jack Torrance.
Speaker 3:Can't imagine anybody else being able to do it.
Speaker 2:All right, and wait till you hear this. Other actors considered Robert De Niro, that's a no. Who said the film gave him nightmares for a month?
Speaker 3:Robin Williams, that's a hell, no, right Although.
Speaker 2:No, the Fisher King, he is.
Speaker 3:Oh good, but he's not murderous.
Speaker 2:Correct. Yes, he's just paranoid, schizophrenic.
Speaker 3:That is a great movie. I know that's your favorite movie and that's why your daughter has her name.
Speaker 2:Yes. That is where she got her name. Harrison Ford, no, no. All of whom met with Stephen King's disapproval. Good on you. Stephen King, for his part, disavowed Nicholas because he thought that since he had shot One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, the viewer would tend to consider him an unstable individual from the beginning which is a very valid point, michael.
Speaker 2:Moriarty no. Or Martin Sheen no, no. Who would more faithfully represent the profile of the ordinary individual who is gradually driven to madness? In any case, from the beginning the writer was told that the actor for the lead role was not negotiable, and thank God he did. Yeah, lead role was not negotiable, and thank God he did. Although Jack Nicholson initially suggested that Jessica Lange would be a better fit for Stephen King's Wendy, shelley Duvall knew early that she was the one cast for the role, which also, again, I cannot imagine anyone. But no, but poor Shelley Duvall. Yeah, yeah, we'll get to that, yeah. Um, wendy's character in the film differs notably from the novel, where she appears more capable and less vulnerable.
Speaker 2:Throughout the filming, kubrick pushed duvall hard. It is said that the scene in which, armed with a baseball bat, she walks backwards up the stairs before the attack of her husband, she was not representing a terrified woman. Shelly was literally terrified. I have heard that it was not good for her, which really hurts my feelings. I I always just thought she was an amazing actress, because she just did look terrified the whole time. But I could see being intimidated by jack nicholson and, and if you have an aggressive director on top of it. Um.
Speaker 2:So the shining had a prolonged and arduous production period, often with very long week work days. Principal photography took over a year to complete. Due to kubrick's highly methodical nature, actor Shelley Duvall did not get along with Kubrick, frequently arguing with him on set about lines in the script, her acting techniques and numerous other things. Duvall eventually became so overwhelmed by the stress of her role that she became physically ill for months. At one point she was under so much stress that her hair began to fall out, which I can attest to that because that's happened to me. It did In a very stressful time in my life.
Speaker 2:I recall. So another time, heather was there for me, like every other time. All right, anyway, the shooting script was being changed constantly, sometimes several times a day, adding more stress. Nicholson eventually became so frustrated with the ever-changing script that he would throw away the copies that the production team had given him to memorize, knowing that it was going to change anyway.
Speaker 3:He learned most of his lines just minutes before filming them, which is incredible to me and the whole acting thing is incredible to me to begin with, like I don't, I can't remember.
Speaker 2:That is a special breed of person like and to be able to put yourself out there like that and and become somebody else and yeah, but the memorizing thing, I mean, no way get it. The only thing I've ever been able to memorize in my life is song lyrics. I was just going to say songs, and that's because they have music to them.
Speaker 3:I can do every word of Rob Bass, but I don't know any math at all.
Speaker 2:But that's because there's music with it.
Speaker 3:I guess that's true. Maybe they should put more music to math. Yeah, don't ruin music that way.
Speaker 2:Okay, anyway.
Speaker 3:I hate math? Yeah, she does, and I no longer have to do it Because I'm a grown up and I can say I don't know.
Speaker 2:That's right. Fuck that shit. You do it, that's right. That's why you deliver the mail and you don't work the cash register. Do not do math. Nicholson was living in London with his then girlfriend, angelica Houston, and that the shoot day lasted from 9 am to 10 30 pm, with turkle recollecting that his clothes were soaked in perspiration by the end of the day shoot. He also added that it was his favorite scene in the film. It is pretty good. Yeah, they didn't have air conditioning.
Speaker 3:I don't think so. Sometimes I wonder, because we didn't have air conditioning but we lived on the water.
Speaker 2:I did not have air conditioning.
Speaker 3:I don't know Was it a thing my dad did.
Speaker 2:Oh, my dad. Well, he used to really hate being hot, but now he lives in Fort Myer, florida. It's like 1000 degrees every day All year. Too hot, oh, it's so hot. When I went down to see them oh God bless, they had their thermostat set on 78. 78. That's too hot early, like lock the bedroom door, strip down to my underwear, kick all the blankets out to bed and spread out like no fan. That's too hot, yeah, yeah, but anyway, oh yeah. So he always his house was an icebox. You would literally open the door and it would like roll out like freezers do in restaurants that's too cold.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's got to be a happy medium in there somewhere yeah, and I remember in my mom's house we did not have any form of air conditioning and we were out in the country where it was just dead, still and silent all night and so that was one thing that was good about growing, because the beach a is like 10 degrees cooler than inland and there was always a breeze.
Speaker 3:That because we lived right on the water. So there was always a cool breeze coming off the water until they built houses all around and it knocked on the wind and there was the fucking lighthouse used to go around in a circle and my bedroom directly looked at the beam, dead in its beam like eye, so it would come around. That's why you got that bedroom you probably least favorite.
Speaker 3:Yes, I really was and it would come around and shine directly in your eyeballs as you tried to sleep every, however long it takes it for it to wing around. But my main memory of that house is the salt breeze, and every time I smell salt air it just reminds me of home. But there was, um, I don't know how many of you know what a catamaran is, but it is a sailboat, and they would. Across the street from us was like a little boat rampy kind of thing where they would just pull their boats up and anchor them there. And there was always catamarans there and their mast has whatever. I don't know sailing terms.
Speaker 3:So forgive me, but the mast has a little metal thing that would clink on the mast and I. All night long it would clink, cl, clink, clink, and that's why I have to sleep with a fan on now. Or maybe I should record the sound of a cataract clinking. Maybe then I would get some decent sleep.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm gonna try that yeah, but at my mom's house, yeah, it was just god awful hot and we were in a bi-level house, so we were actually up higher and yeah, it was just hot.
Speaker 3:Once they built all those houses there, we did get window units, yeah.
Speaker 2:No, and I would. My way of cooling off was I would sleep pressed up against the wall because the wall felt cool, and then I would just swap sides and lay against the wall to try to cool down enough to fall asleep. Yeah, good times. Yeah, that's why my husband would be like, oh, it's not that hot. No, I mean, I will tolerate it to a certain point, but I'm not suffering. I hate the heat.
Speaker 3:I hate summer.
Speaker 2:I love summer.
Speaker 3:It's my favorite Next weekend is coming up as the unofficial start of summer in our area.
Speaker 2:And traffic is already, will be a parking lot for miles and miles.
Speaker 3:It's just. I grew up without traffic, except for three months of the year, and that's why I never could live anywhere with traffic, because the three months of the year that there is traffic it's horrible.
Speaker 2:I don't remember the traffic from being young, but I do remember easily getting parking spaces. It's terrible. Now it's like that year round yeah, I mean you can go five, six blocks down. I used to have the guaranteed spot and it was perfect down at the end uh, by the Henlopen Hotel. Yes, in that circle always had parking there and it was perfect down at the end uh by the hen lopen hotel.
Speaker 2:Yes, in that circle always had parking there and it was a great start and end point when my kids were little. I could get my shit together and then we'll head on down. It's a big park, but no that you can never get parking down there now, all along the streets.
Speaker 3:It's year round.
Speaker 2:Now too, it's well, and that's what I was going to say is the part I remember is you could go down there in the winter and nothing was open, except maybe grottos yeah, which was fine, but you could walk around and it didn't matter, like you just got to enjoy the fact that you live at the beach. Yes, but can't do that now. No, never. Thanks, tourists.
Speaker 3:Thanks a lot, covid. Yeah, thanks Obama. Why do we blame Obama for it? Everybody does oh okay.
Speaker 2:Everything's his fault. Yeah, that was another thing I meant to mention earlier. Shout out to Joe Biden Get well soon, or at least don't suffer.
Speaker 3:I know a lot of people don't care for him. I met the man quite a few times. I don't know if I mentioned this before. I like to mention it because I am a big joe biden fan same um, I met him numerous times at uh he was for those of you that don't know joe biden.
Speaker 1:He is in love with delaware he loves the state of delaware like nobody could love the state of delaware more than joe biden it's just impossible and I'm so excited we're gonna get a biden library.
Speaker 3:Yes, I love the state of delaware, but nowhere near the love that joe biden has same here. I love it here we have um quite a few festivals through that are uniquely Delaware.
Speaker 3:Yes, we do the biggest one and my most. Well, we don't have the one anymore, which was Pumpkin Chunkin, where in after the weekend, after Halloween, people would launch pumpkins up to a half a mile in various different things, and it used to be a weekend and it and it was. It was just so very much fun and somebody got hurt. So they ended up stop doing boo bad too, like they sued them that anyway. So they stopped doing it. But Joe Biden, every year in the bitter ass cold, because we used to go with our French fry stand, we used to go and sell French fries, and he would come every year in the bitter ass cold, out in the middle of a field with a bunch of drunk people chucking pumpkins everywhere and he would he would eat something from every little stand he would come.
Speaker 3:While he was standing there eating French fries, people would come up to him and he was a Senator at the time. So of course you know you either love him or you hate him and everybody would be like, oh, this is what's wrong. And he would sit there and listen to no matter what you said. If you agreed with him, if you disagreed with him, it didn't matter, he would stand there and listen him. If you disagreed with him, it didn't matter, he would stand there and listen.
Speaker 3:Our other most unique thing, and it is one of my favorite, I'm sorry, I love it so very much it's called returns day and it is the thursday after the election, yes, where all the candidates ride in carriages together through the town of georgetown, which is, we state employees are bitter because sussex county state employees get the day off. It's to attend the parade, but the rest of us have to go to work. It's a sussex county thing it is there's some sussex county pride also totally fair.
Speaker 2:I truly am not jealous of it.
Speaker 3:I get it schools in sussex county closed for it if you work in sussex county, you get to go. If you live in sussex county and you work in kent county, though, you are allowed to go you are allowed to have off all right um, it's a. Thing it's just people dress up in the 1700s outfits.
Speaker 2:They roam around.
Speaker 3:Anyway, the candidates get into a coach and ride a horse-drawn carriage and they ride around the circle and they wave to everybody and they get to the courthouse and they come out onto the balcony of the courthouse and they each take a hatchet and they bury it into some dirt and they bury the hatchet and then everyone can move forward. But they do it in Georgetown because that is the capital of Sussex County. Right, it's the absolute center. It's 18 miles from anywhere. That's why that beer was called 18 Mile. Oh, because Georgetown's 18 miles from everywhere in Sussex County.
Speaker 1:Anywho, Fun fact.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so it's where everybody would come to hear the election. So they come out on the, they announce who won, because way back in the way day you didn't have, you know, google. So they would come out and announce who won and then they would bury the hatchet and then they could all move forward. Joe biden participated every year until he was asked not to participate. After he became vice president he went. The first year he became vice president he did participate. He insisted and it was insane, I was down there they had snipers everywhere.
Speaker 3:It was a big they had. It was like a bunch of rules they had to follow, like normally he's all up in the crowd and then. But they made him go very first and there was like nobody else around him and he kept trying to get out of the coach and they kept pushing him back in and it was just so. After that they asked um, mr biden, vice Vice President Biden, very nicely, please don't come anymore, because it's just too much. They couldn't allow certain people Not a lot of people could be in the circle. It was just it had lost what it was meant to do because of Secret Service. So he was, and then when he became president, obviously that was not going to go.
Speaker 3:So, it's just shame, because he really did enjoy it. He was there every year and, again, he would talk to whoever. I saw him at the state fair numerous times. He would talk to whoever wanted to talk to him about whatever. So that's awesome. That's my 10 cents on Joe Biden.
Speaker 2:Yep, so just sending you some good vibes.
Speaker 3:And he lives where I work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all right. Uh, the door that jack chops through with the axe near the end of the film was real. Kubrick originally shot, uh, this with a fake door, but nicholson, who had worked as a volunteer fire marshal and a firefighter in the california air national guard, tore through it too quickly. Uh, jack's line here's johnny is taken from ed mcmahon's introduction to the tonight show starring johnny carson and was improvised by nicholson. I'm gonna do a podcast on johnny carson one day too. Okay, I'd love me some Johnny Carson. Well, I'd love me some Johnny Carson, because my dad loved Johnny Carson, right. But I remember the last episode I was working for Grotto's, the Lewis Sports Grand Slam, grand Slam, yep.
Speaker 3:Just in case anybody works there and they'd like to sponsor us for any reason.
Speaker 2:And it was late at night. Obviously when the Tonight Show comes on there and they'd like to sponsor us for any reason, and it was late at night, um, obviously when the tonight show comes on and it was this final episode and there's a little room in that restaurant that's, uh, like a partial circle, that's glass, right by the parking lot um and the staff all sat in there there was a tv in there and we all sat and watched his last episode together.
Speaker 2:So that was really special. I was like 19. So it was fun. Um, anyway, let me get back to where I was. Okay, so there was a post release edit after its premiere a week and a week into the general run, with a running time of 146 minutes.
Speaker 2:Kubrick cut a scene at the end that took place in a hospital. The scene shows Wendy in a bed talking with Mr Allman, who explains that Jack's body could not be found. He then gives Danny a yellow tennis ball, presumably the same one that Jack was throwing around the hotel. This scene was subsequently physically cut out of prints by projectionists and sent back to the studio by order of Warner Brothers, which was the film's distributor. The footage has never resurfaced and while it could still exist, it is likely badly damaged. This cut the film's running time to 144 minutes, and Roger Ebert commented if Jack did indeed freeze to death in the labyrinth, of course his body was found, and sooner rather than later, since Dick Holleran alerted the fourangers to serious trouble at the hotel. If Jack's body was not found, what happened to it? Was it never there? Was it absorbed into the past, and does that explain Jack's presence in the final photograph of a group of hotel party goers in 1921? Did Jack's violent pursuit of his wife and child exist entirely in Wendy's imagination, or Danny's or theirs? Kubrick was wise to remove that epilogue. It pulled one rug too many out from under the story. At some level it is necessary for us to believe the three members of the Torrance family are actually residents in the hotel during that winter. Whatever happens, or whatever they think happens, I found that extremely interesting. And I did not know that. No, I did not know that either.
Speaker 2:The film had mixed reviews at the time of its opening in the United States. Janet Maslin of the New York Times lauded Nicholson's performance and praised the Overlook Hotel as an effective setting for horror, but wrote that the supernatural story knows frustratingly little rhyme or reason. Even the film's most startling, horrific images seem overbearing and perhaps even irrelevant. Yeah, these comments were really pissing me off. Like these were all these pretentious who just wanted to criticize because you're insane, like what is wrong with you? Variety was critical, stating with everything to work with, kubrick has teamed with jumpy Jack Nicholson to destroy all that was so terrifying about Stephen King's bestseller.
Speaker 2:A common initial criticism was the slow pacing, which was highly atypical of horror films at the time. Neither Gene Siskel or Roger Ebert reviewed the film on their television show Sneak Previews when it was first released, but in his review for the Chicago Sun-Times, ebert complained that it was hard to connect with any of the characters. In his Chicago Tribune review, Siskel gave the film two stars out of four and called it a crashing disappointment. The biggest surprise is that it contains virtually no thrills. Given Kubrick's world-class reputation, one's immediate surprise is that it contains virtually no thrills. Given kubrick's world-class reputation, one's immediate reaction is that maybe he was after something other than thrills in this film. If so, it's hard to figure out what I mean. That is just so bitchy. Well like so yeah. Then just some more people complained I'm not gonna read you anymore. It was all kind of pretentious stupid yeah boohoo.
Speaker 2:Uh, it was one of only two films of kubrick's last 11 films, the other being eyes wide shut I do not like that movie, sorry I. I never watched it. I don't like nicole kidman or tom or tom cruise. I don't either and maybe that's I, I never watched it.
Speaker 3:I don't like nicole kidman or tom or tom cruise I don't either and maybe that's what I don't know I didn't understand what was going on the whole time. I didn't want to have to pay attention at all.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I never looked or never watched it never sorry, uh, but so the shining and that horrible film um were the only ones to not receive nominations from BAFTA. It was the only one of Kubrick's last nine films to receive no nominations from either the Oscars or Golden Globes. Therefore, bfd.
Speaker 3:BFD bitches.
Speaker 2:Instead, it was Kubrick's only film to be nominated at the Razzie Awards, including the worst director and worst actress, duvall, in the first year the award was given. Duvall's nomination was retracted by the Razzie Committee on March 31st 2022. Vincent Messiano's review of In Air's magazine concluded the Shining lays open to view all the devices of horror and suspense endless eerie music, odd, odd camera angles, a soundtrack of intermittent, interminably pounding heart. Uh, hatchets and hunts. Uh, the show is shallow, self-conscious and dull. Read the book uh-huh, all right. Reappraisal on rotten tomatoes.
Speaker 2:The film has a certified fresh approval rating of 82, based on 101 reviews, which I don't know when this article is from. I think I forgot to do my references at the beginning too, but I know fandom um, imbd somebody else is where I got some information from. Um. Anyway, I was surprised it only had 101 reviews. Yeah, uh, but with an average rating of 8.5 out of 10. Uh, the site's critical consensus reads though it it deviates from Stephen King's novel. Stanley Kubrick's the Shining is chilling, often Baroque journey into madness, exemplified by an unforgettable turn from Jack Nicholson 100 years 100 thrills list and jack torrance was named the 25th greatest villain on the ife's 100 years 100 heroes and villains list in 2003.
Speaker 3:Do you know who I, who I, decide? Oh, I have seen memes about and I agree 187 000. Who is the greatest villain in all of movies is it um the joker?
Speaker 2:by no okay, jenna, and forrest gump, and you're not wrong, she was awful yeah, yeah, anyway, true, yeah, although I never saw that movie, but I know enough about it. She's awful trust me.
Speaker 3:yeah, she is the worst villain ever. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:In 2005, the quote here's Johnny was ranked 68th on IAFI's 100 Years 100 Movie quotes list. Critics, scholars and crew members, such as Kubrick's producer Jan Harlan, have discussed the film's enormous influence on popular culture. In 2006, roger Ebert, who was initially critical of the work, inducted the film into his great movie series. Saying Stanley Kubrick's cold and frightening the Shining challenges us to decide who is the reliable observer. Whose idea of events can we trust? It is this elusive open-mindedness that makes Kubrick's film so strangely disturbing, and that's why I said those criticisms were a bunch of whininess because, that is a really good review.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm hating it the first time you saw it.
Speaker 3:Well, it was also a different time.
Speaker 2:It was.
Speaker 3:I think that's one that probably has to settle with you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, mature, and I guess it's settled with us as Gen X because we watched it when we were seven.
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm, I would have been five.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, exactly. All right, here's the fun stuff the response by Stephen King. Stephen King has been quoted as saying that although Kubrick made a film with memorable imagery, it was poor as an adaptation, and that is the only adaptation of his novels that he could remember hating. I did hear that. However well, it sounds like they didn't get along from the get go.
Speaker 3:I imagine so.
Speaker 2:I had read somewhere else that they only had the producer, only called him once. Yeah, and that was at the very beginning.
Speaker 3:I think Stanley wanted it to be his thing.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, even though it was Stephen King's thing. Like there is no the Shining without Stephen King, without Stephen King. However, in his 1981 nonfiction book Danse, macabre King noted that Kubrick was among those filmmakers whose particular visions are so clear and fierce that fear of failure never becomes a factor in the equation, commenting that even when a director such as Stanley Kubrick makes such a maddening, perverse and disappointing film as the Shining, it somehow retains a brilliance that is inarguable. It is simply there. And listed Kubrick's film among those he considered to have contributed something of value to the horror genre. Before the 1980 film, king often said he gave little attention to the film adaptation of his work, and I think that speaks volumes too, and that goes back to what Ebert said as well. Like, I guess at the time they didn't get it, but as they saw how it affected pop culture and the horror industry, they were all like, oh, yeah, maybe I should go back and re-watch it. Yeah, uh. So the novel written while king was suffering from alcoholism contains an autobiographical element. King expressed disappointment that some themes, such as the disintegration of family and the dangers of alcoholism, are less present in the film. King also viewed the casting of Nicholson as a mistake arguing it would result in a rapid realization among audiences that Jack would go insane, due to Nicholson's famous role as Randall McMurphy in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, which had come out in 1975. Also one of my favorite movies. King had suggested that a more every man actor such as Voight-Reeves oh, christopher Reeves, we didn't see him earlier? I didn't see that one either. Didn't see that one coming, yeah, or more. We already play the role, so that Jack's descent into madness would be more unnerving.
Speaker 2:In the novel the story takes the child's point of view, while in the film the father is the main character. In fact, one of the most notable differences lies in Jack Torrance's psychological profile. According to the novel, the character represented an ordinary and balanced man who, little by little, loses control. Furthermore, the written narration reflected personal traits of the author himself at that time, remarked by insomnia and alcoholism, in addition to abuse. There is some allusion to these episodes in the American version of the film Okay so here's my thought on that, as you just read that I had thoughts too, so I'm curious to hear what you have to say so I think the whole point more in my opinion.
Speaker 3:Sorry, stephen king, I get it, you wrote it, but whatever, what do you know?
Speaker 2:um the.
Speaker 3:I think the reason why jack is such a good bit is, for me, the movie isn't so much that an that any person could go insane like that, but it's more that it was already there yes and that it well, that's it.
Speaker 2:Like I. So are you trying to say like um, him as the insane person is more important than him, whoever it is, as the normal balanced guy like he played it so well I think it's more of if you put a normal, if you put a normal balanced guy like christopher reeve if you put christopher reeve in there, who is, you know, superman or whatever you know everybody's all dark hands, yeah, just the every man good husband, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 3:Would he have gone insane, or do you have to have a little bit of that?
Speaker 1:that gets brought out in the situation.
Speaker 3:Because you could stick me in that hotel all winter long with zero communication with the outworld, and I would not go insane.
Speaker 2:They would come when it's all You'd be like no.
Speaker 3:You'd have all the doors nailed shut, I would. I would enjoy it Not saying that, christopher, drop more food down the chimney, would enjoy it. Not saying that christopher, more food down the chimney. Not saying that christopher reed wouldn't go insane. But to me the point is more that it wasn't just anybody got the job, but the fact that the, the building itself has the shine has brought in yes, and that is one thing, because the sun had yes, the shining.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he has the spn one and two so yes, of course he would be brought there exactly that's, and that, to me, is why he is a better fit, because you can't see, robin will dark, crazy, like I get the Fisher King, it's a fun, crazy. It's a little dark, but not and there's no way Christopher Reeve could have done it. I mean, he's a lovely man and all, but he does not have that in him, right? And I think that the Kubrick stare is anybody going to do that better than Jack? I don't think so. Yeah, I just don't. So I think. For me it was the fact that the hotel called them and the previous caretaker also went crazy, like are they bringing in? It's attracting someone who has the ability.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's already somewhere in there. Like seriously, can you picture anyone else besides jack sitting there, frozen solid?
Speaker 3:no, like that's an iconic and and you know from videography I guess for me a stephen king should, of course I'm, whatever I did that already again.
Speaker 2:What do you know I?
Speaker 3:don't know anything about stephen king, but for me, if you suffer as an alcoholic um and insomnia and obviously you got some serious stuff rolling around in your brain because you wrote all those lovely horror books and stuff but you actually are you but you can go out in public and act like, but you have that in there, right?
Speaker 2:So I think that's what I wanted to talk about was the alcoholism, and I do feel that way and I do get where Stephen King's coming from with that that that was such an important part of that book.
Speaker 1:I agree.
Speaker 2:Because that's the place he was coming from when he wrote it and it was just very briefly kind of brushed over. Like it really wasn't a part. Maybe they didn't develop the characters well enough in the beginning, but I don't necessarily think that took away from it for me no, but I see stephen king's point right and again, that goes to my point also, because if you're, did he?
Speaker 3:if it's christopher reeve and he was, you know he wasn't an alcoholic with the withdrawal. I mean, is that what's causing that? You know, like you get the beast and you're two different people and I don't know. Yeah, sorry, steven, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Don't send clowns after me no, I will say I follow steven king on all the socials and he seems like a pretty solid dude and he hates trump I don't get me wrong, I love me some stephen king.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying and the shit he writes about him is funny. So if you're not following him, you should, because I'm going to. His social medias are pretty fun, uh, especially on uh, he's on blue sky, which is another one that we are on if y'all are looking for us, um, all right. In an interview with bbc, king criticized duvall's performance, stating the character is basically just there to scream and be stupid, and that's not the woman that I wrote about. Um, and I could see that point too. She did scream and be stupid through that movie, but she was also terrified and I thought she did an amazing performance.
Speaker 2:Really I did too. Uh, king's wendy is a strong and independent woman on a professional and emotional level. To kubrick, on the other hand, it did not seem consistent that such a woman had long endured the personality of jack torrance. I mean, he's not wrong there, he's not. I just feel like some stuff got lost in translation between novel and film.
Speaker 3:Well, when that's the other issue with with movies that have been adapted from novels. A novel you have 700 pages is to get what out what you want, and a movie? You only have two and a half hours.
Speaker 2:So right, exactly yes, and a lot of empty dialogue yeah, you have to yeah um king once suggested that he disliked the film's downplaying of the supernatural.
Speaker 2:King had envisioned jack as a victim of the genuinely external forces haunting the hotel, whereas king felt kubrick had viewed the haunting and its resulting malignancy as coming from within Jack himself. In October 2013, however, journalist Laura Miller wrote that the discrepancies between the two was almost the complete opposite. King is essentially a novelist of morality. The decisions his characters make, whether it's to confront a pack of vampires or to break 10 years of sobriety, are what matters to him. But in Kubrick's the Shining, the characters are largely in the grip of forces beyond their control. It's a film in which domestic violence occurs, while King's novel is about domestic violence as a choice certain men make when they refuse to abandon a delusional defensive entitlement. As King sees it, kubrick treats his characters like insects, because the director doesn't really consider them capable of shaping their own fates. Everything they do is subordinate to an overseen, irresistible force, which is Kubrick's highly developed aesthetic. They are its slaves. In King's the Shining, the monster is Jack. In Kubrick's, the Monster is Kubrick.
Speaker 3:I'm going to have to disagree again with Mr King, okay, maybe. See. This is why movies are art and why novels are art, because they are up to for interpretation, and my interpretation of it is much as the nature nurture debate. Is it because he is there or is it because? Is he there because he is who?
Speaker 2:he is who he is that's I mean.
Speaker 3:It's just it's what is shaping the situation and for me, that's what I took from it, like what is what is it? Is it again? Was he drawn there because of who he is, or did that place make him? And I think that's what jack brings to it yeah, the uncertainty of whether or not yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2:It is still a movie that I have seen, probably at least 50 times.
Speaker 2:I mean a bare minimum we watch it like once a month yeah and um, when I every time I watch it, I still have questions at the end, and I think that's what the beauty of that film is. Yes, like you're just like what, what just happened? Like that was amazing and it yeah all right anyway. Uh king later criticized the film and did I already read this? Okay, no re, take two. Uh king later criticized the film and kubrick as a director. Parts of the film are chilling. Charged with a relentlessly claustrophobic.
Speaker 3:Oh, oh. I hate that. I hate when you're looking at a word and then you're like, what is that, yeah. Or when you have to write a word and then you're like, what is that?
Speaker 2:yeah or when you have to write a word a bunch of times and then it stops looking like that word okay, anyway uh, claustrophobic terror, but others fall flat. Not that religion has to be involved in horror, but a visceral skeptic such as kubrick could just couldn't grasp the sheer, inhumane evil of the Overlook Hotel, so he looked instead for evil in the characters and made the film into a domestic tragedy with only vaguely supernatural overtones. And I can see that.
Speaker 3:Right, but again you could even say like so, freddy Jason, all of my favorite slasher movies.
Speaker 2:I mean, there's both in that too, true, yes, and you make a very good point here. You really could argue that either way. Yeah, again, you leave the movie with questions.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and that's what makes it beautiful what makes a movie stand out over time?
Speaker 2:is that it? Is so up to interpretation yes, um, that was the basic flow. Because he couldn't believe he, he couldn't make the film believable to others. What's basically wrong with kub's version of the Shining is that it's a film by a man who thinks too much and feels too little, and that's why, for all its virtuoso effects, it never gets you by the throat and hangs on the wall. Real hangs on the way.
Speaker 3:Real horror should and I don't disagree with him there, because for me I don't know that it's so much of a horror movie. I mean I guess so, but for me it's more of a psychological thriller, yes, like an ifb, and maybe that's a million problem, because a million percent? I don't see it. I mean, yeah, it's got a lot of blood and whatever, but well, just really in that one scene.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I can agree with that a million percent, because until I met my husband now he loves um horror movies and I was like, oh no, I'm too scared, I hate them, but I just really never was around anyone who watched them so much, um, so I just never watched them and I just was kind of scared of everything back then when I met him, um, and then I agreed to watch him with him, you know, just to try to compromise, you know, and I liked it, or I wasn't scared, yeah, like I am super critical of horror movies now, yes, I didn't used to be. I you know, everything was scary to me and the gore, and I hated it. But now I can, he'll put one on in like 20 minutes and I'm like no, just just turn this out.
Speaker 2:I can't.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's terrible relationship with horror movies.
Speaker 2:So but I grew up watching um the shining and poltergeist and I never considered them horror movies. I even think poltergeist is a psychological thriller.
Speaker 3:I agree so because I think the problem is a psychological thriller can also have elements of the supernatural, whereas when I think about horror movie it's like slasher, like monsters, monsters um clowns right, you know.
Speaker 2:Uh, yeah, people who made skin suits out of other people although I think, I think that one's a psychological thriller too, because it does start with his childhood, and I think, I think, for me, a horror movie is a boo horror movie, whereas a psychological thriller.
Speaker 3:Fucks with your head and I to me. That gives me more like silence of the lambs is the only movie that I have ever had nightmares about.
Speaker 2:Wow, yeah, god, that one got me one that really scared me is the blair witch project.
Speaker 3:Never saw it really, you know, never to. I can't take that.
Speaker 2:I remember, yeah, I remember, I was on the edge of my seat the entire time. The beauty in that film is you're always waiting for something to happen and nothing really ever happens. But it's so fucking scary and it had neat parts. Fucking scary and it had neat parts. Like there's a part in it where, because kids start disappearing, and they find a little piece of flannel from somebody's shirt, tied up in a couple knots, and they open it. And when they open it I watched it with like four people I think when I saw it. We all saw something different in that piece of flannel and to this day I don't know what was in there, but we all saw something different.
Speaker 3:So for me a horror movie and it's probably just because I grew up in the 80s for me a horror movie the soundtrack is really important, like when you think of Jaws is really important, like when you think of Jaws.
Speaker 3:Jaws when you think of Friday the 13th. The music builds your anticipation so that you are built up to a point where literally anything would scare you, because you know it's coming, you just don't know when. Just like like when you? I don't know if you had this problem, but my father loved to scare you, so when you walked, if he ran ahead of you and walked into a dark room, you knew he was going to scare you. You knew it was going to happen, but you didn't know when I'm the scar.
Speaker 2:I'm not. My husband is super jumpy. I scare him all the time.
Speaker 3:So you're heightened, everything is heightened, the adrenaline starts pumping, and I think the soundtrack is what makes those movies so much better, because you know Jason's coming when they start playing that music.
Speaker 2:You know it.
Speaker 3:You know when they start the music, the shark is coming. You just don't know when, and I think that builds up your own fear, because you already knew what happened the first time they played it. Now you know what's coming, but you just don't know when. And I think that's to me a successful heart.
Speaker 2:That's a really good explanation. I like that one. Thanks, yep yep, I don't like the newer ones I also used to, when I worked in the casino, had have a very good friend. I haven't seen her in a little bit, but anyway. Um, I knew that she had a problem with peeing herself when she got scared, so I used to love to hide at work and scare her.
Speaker 3:Only mean thing I ever did like that was I did when my sister was pregnant the shelf. We had a shelf in front of the grills and you would have to reach up over the grill to get to the plates because they would be warm. And when she was pregnant she would have to put her belly on the metal shelf in order to reach. And every time she did I would take a plate and slam it down on the metal shelf and it would make the baby jump and she would get so mad because she's like running to the bathroom. Damn you, and it was the best, okay.
Speaker 2:King was also disappointed by Kubrick's decision not to film at the Stanley Hotel in Estes Park, colorado, which inspired the story, a decision Kubrick made since the hotel lacked sufficient snow and electricity. However, king finally supervised the 1997 television adaptation, also called the Shining, filmed at the Stanley Hotel. The animosity of King towards Kubrick's adaptations has dulled over time. During an interview segment on the Bravo channel, king stated that the first time he watched Kubrick's adaptation he found it to be dreadfully unsettling. Nonetheless, writing in the afterword of Dr Sleep, king professed continued dissatisfaction with the Kubrick film. He said of it of course there was Stanley Kubrick's movie which many seem to remember for reasons I have never quite understood, movie which many seem to remember, for reasons I have never quite understood, as one of the scariest films they have ever seen. If you have seen the movie but not read the novel, you should note that dr sleep follows the latter, which is, in my opinion, the true history of the torrence family.
Speaker 2:So yeah, yeah yeah, he was never happy. So here's a couple uh fun facts. Fun facts uh, jack nicholson achieved his character's anger by only eating cheese sandwiches maybe that was what was wrong with me as a kid.
Speaker 3:As a teenager, I only ever ate cheese sandwiches.
Speaker 2:Well, see what? Okay, well, that makes sense now. But my thing when I read that was eating cheese always makes me happy, so I don't know how you would be angry.
Speaker 3:I mean, I literally every day ate cheese sandwiches at school. One piece of bread, one piece of cheese, one piece of bread, nothing else. Straight cheese sandwich.
Speaker 2:Can a million percent see you doing that?
Speaker 3:I'm pretty sure I have autism.
Speaker 2:And she's going gonna get tested. Yes, all right. I don't know why the snow in the maze?
Speaker 3:was actually 900 tons of salt and crushed styrofoam. Why?
Speaker 2:is that environmentally friendly? Why so much salt like?
Speaker 3:just use more styrofoam oh, probably because the salt would weigh it down or give it that crunchy like sparkly crunchy.
Speaker 2:It was Danny Lloyd's own idea to wiggle his finger when he talks to Tony.
Speaker 3:I've been doing that the whole time. I know Red rum, I know Red realm.
Speaker 2:Since Danny Lloyd was just a little kid at the time of the shooting of the Shining and he'd never made a movie before, stanley Kubrick was very protective of him and I was very appreciative, because it sounds like Kubrick was kind of a dick in a lot of ways, but he really did take care of this kid. It sounds like a lot of ways, but he really did take care of this kid. It sounds like um, and he didn't let on that the movie he was making had ghostly naked old ladies and gallons of blood pouring out of an elevator. As far as lloyd knew just from what kubrick and the crew showed and told him the movie was he was making was a drama. When wendy carries danny through the hotel yelling at Jack, she's actually just holding a life-size dummy, which was done to avoid putting Lloyd in such an intense scene. It's probably easier for her to carry too.
Speaker 3:She's not a large woman.
Speaker 2:No, she is not. She is very small. And I just last fun fact. I was just like I wonder whatever happened to him. So Daniel Edward Sidney Lloyd was born October 13th 1972. So he's about six months older than me is an American former child actor best known for playing Danny Torrance in Stanley Kubrick's 1980 horror film. The Shining in stanley kubrick's 1980 horror film the shining. After appearing in the 1982 television film, will g gordon liddy lloyd retired from acting. He became a professor at the elizabethtown community and technical college in 2004.
Speaker 3:That would be so crazy to be taught by like how do you not walk into the room and how?
Speaker 1:are you him and?
Speaker 3:not just write red rum your first day every year yeah and yeah, yeah, just embrace it.
Speaker 2:I would always take his class as much as I could and I'd be like texting people like I'm in danny's class right now. They're like yes, we know, you've told us 5 000 times, please stop telling us and he's at a community college, so like the average joe student gets to go see him, like he's not at some big fancy school where just rich kids get to go all right, that's great hey that would be yeah I know, and he was still pretty adorable, like he kind of still looked the same, the same, yeah, yeah I still like the.
Speaker 3:The simpsons version. Yes, then it doesn't last 144 minutes. No, the shinnen. I don't know. I think maybe I could probably watch the simpsons version of it more than I could watch. I don't know, I think maybe I could probably watch the Simpsons version of it more than I could watch the actual version of it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean it is a long movie.
Speaker 3:It is.
Speaker 2:It is.
Speaker 3:It is yes. I can't imagine watching it in a theater at this point Right. It's too long, I can't sit in those theaters for long yeah.
Speaker 2:I have no desire to go see movies in the theater anymore. Like none movies in the theater anymore like none. It's so sad too, and we had even, as of the last, however, probably pre-covid. I don't know if we've been since then, but we would go up to the imax it's like an hour from here up in wilmington and that was, like you know, an anniversary or birthday where we couldn't think of anything better to do. We go have a nice dinner and go see a movie. I didn't like 3d, I just like the imax.
Speaker 3:But I don't. I saw labyrinth when they re-released labyrinth in the over the last year. I think that's pretty much the last time we were gonna go see nosferatu, but it just kept not being a good time, or whatever.
Speaker 2:I did just finally see it the other night, my last one was either a Marvel movie because I'm a huge Marvel movie fan and they are fun in IMAX to see or one of the latest Star Wars.
Speaker 3:You're going to really enjoy my topic for next week. I already know what it is. Ooh, unless I change my mind to really enjoy my topic for next week. I already know what it is, unless I change my mind, unless somebody dies like this week, she didn't get the death in time.
Speaker 2:I know.
Speaker 3:RIP Norm. Yeah, I haven't watched it. I just can't. I think I lack the attention span, and I don't normally lack attention span, so I don't know.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, I mean I have to pee more often and I can't just sit in one spot for long periods of time, like shit freezes up and gets sore and goes numb and all that good stuff. So it we're too, old for movies. Oh, I know what my last one was it's too old for movies. Oh, I know what my last one was, it was barbie. Oh yeah, I went to the milford and but that was nice. They have like the cushy leather. They have them in ocean recliners like, plus they.
Speaker 3:They tore down my childhood movie theater they.
Speaker 2:They closed the one in the dover mall too, did they? That was my childhood one, when I was a teen.
Speaker 3:That's where we went to the movies, actually where we work was the um food court of the mall that had the movie theater that played the dollar movie nights. You remember that in rehoba they had the dollar. I loved the dollar movie night. Actually the one in rehoba midway does do. It's not dollars. I think it's four now, but they still do a cheap movie night because I know a lot of places used to do like date night on like a Tuesday or Wednesday they would play.
Speaker 3:And then of course there's the one in Frankfurt or Dagsboro, the Clayton, which is.
Speaker 2:Is that the old timey one? The old timey one.
Speaker 3:They only have one screen and they have a balcony Yep, yep yep, yep.
Speaker 2:I know every time I ride past that one I'm like man. I always forget. That's here.
Speaker 3:They did a really cool thing, um, because they had to redo everything to digital but they didn't have the money to to do it, so they did fundraisers and they would play um old movies every tuesday wednesday, like monday tuesday wednesday. They would play like casablanca and like way old movies to raise money and it was I'd probably rather see movies like that than modern.
Speaker 3:They do play they play modern ones, but I think they only play modern ones on weekends and I think during the rest of the week they play older. I know they do a Rocky Horror at Halloween. I think they do a lot of other.
Speaker 2:I would really love to do Rocky Horror with you one year yeah.
Speaker 3:I would like to do Rocky Horror. I don't know why I never have yeah, it's too late. Well, and I don't even care if we don't.
Speaker 2:We don't have to go in character or anything. I just want to go watch everybody else.
Speaker 3:But they do it at midnight and that's late.
Speaker 2:Oh, it is late.
Speaker 3:That's too late. They do it at midnight, right, I don't know I never looked into it more than that.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Anyway, we've gone on longer. Well, thank you for listening. Thank you, nicole. That was lovely. Thank you, I love that movie you can like share rate review. You can find us where you listen to podcasts, of course. You can follow us on all the socials at like whatever pod, or you can send us a movie, and no, you cannot send us a movie I mean, you can just keep it clean like we're too old for yeah, I know you can say, yeah, I'm the one that checks the email yeah oh, actually I don't need to see that.
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