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Remember those Disney fairytales you grew up with? Turns out they were heavily sanitized versions of much darker, often horrific stories that would give most adults nightmares—let alone children.
We're diving deep into the true origins of beloved classics like Snow White, Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, and The Little Mermaid, revealing the disturbing elements Disney conveniently left out. From cannibalism and self-mutilation to sexual assault and graphic violence, these original tales were never meant for children at all.
Snow White's evil queen actually demanded the girl's liver and lungs to cook and eat, while Cinderella's stepsisters cut off their own toes and heels to fit into the glass slipper—only to have birds peck out their eyes as punishment at the wedding. Sleeping Beauty's story gets even darker, involving a comatose princess who gives birth after being assaulted while unconscious. The Little Mermaid doesn't marry her prince; she sacrifices herself and dissolves into sea foam rather than murder him to save herself.
These weren't just entertainment—they were psychological tools that helped communities process fear, establish moral boundaries, and prepare people for the harsh realities of medieval life. Some, like Snow White, might even be based on real historical figures who met tragic ends. We explore the fascinating theory that the real Snow White could have been Margaret von Waldeck, a German countess who was poisoned at age 21 after falling in love with a prince her family disapproved of.
Share this episode with anyone who loves Disney classics but never knew what those bright, musical adaptations were hiding. And let us know which disturbing fairy tale origin shocked you the most by emailing us at LikeWhateverPod@gmail.com—we'll even send you a sticker!
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Gen X Nostalgia and Weather Observations
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Speaker 2Welcome to Like Whatever a podcast for. By and about Gen X. I'm Nicole and this is my BFF, heather. Hello, so how has your week been?
Speaker 3Okay, my mail count is officially over. Yay, I know, I'm mail count is officially over. Yay, I know.
Speaker 2I'm excited, best news ever yes.
Speaker 3so now I get to stress out about my salary changing.
Speaker 2Hopefully an increase. I hope so, but other than that, yeah, I've just felt like a big dog turd all week. I have a toothache and a storm sat over us for like three days and gave me on the verge of a migraine and these allergies, like my allergies, are worse in the fall than in the spring Mine too. So my whole body aches like I have a fever, but I don't have a fever and yeah, I just feel pretty boopy yeah, but besides the storm, the weather has been fantastic.
Speaker 3It has just amazing.
Speaker 2If it could be like this all year long, yes, it would be great yeah, so where we are, it's been in the mid to upper 70s during the day and the 50s at night it's been sunny. On the way here, it was cloudy and windy and I knew it was going to rain, but not because of the clouds and rain. Do you know why?
Speaker 3Did your knee hurt?
Speaker 2No, why? Because all the cows were lying down. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That is the thing, guys, I don't know it is, it is, it is.
Speaker 3I don't know if you have cows where you live, but when it's going to rain, the cows are laying down, yep, and if only half the cows are laying down, that's only a 50-50 shot that it's going to rain.
Speaker 2Yeah, and I drive through a lot of country to get here and pass a lot of cows and they were all laying. The donkeys were standing up, the horses were ending up, all the cows were laying down. I was like, oh, it's going to rain. Did you guys have cow tipping down here when you were a kid?
Speaker 3You know that's a myth, right?
Speaker 2Well, I haven't really thought about it. Like it just popped into my head, but I grew up in the country surrounded by farm fields livestock and I always wanted I swear people I went to high school with said they went cow tipping.
Speaker 3It's an urban legend. I don't think it's physically possible to tip a cow over. Yeah, that makes sense now.
Speaker 2I mean, I guess that the theory back then was they were standing sleeping at night and you'd sneak up and push them and they would just boop, fall over and I always wanted to go. But even if it was a real thing, I'm glad I never did, because that seems sad. Yeah, I mean my undeveloped, immature brain thought it would be funny at that time, but I would feel really awful now if I had ever pushed cows over.
Speaker 3Yeah, I think it's an urban legend. I don't think anybody actually. I don't think it's possible to push a cow over.
Speaker 2Yeah, that makes sense, yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 3I mean, you're going to wake them up as soon as you touch them. Yeah, and I think To sleep.
Speaker 2And they probably hear you coming.
Speaker 3They're a prey animal, so you know probably. On alert the VMAs were last night. I didn't watch them.
Speaker 2Oh yeah, I did. Yeah, it's crazy how many people I just have absolutely no clue, Like if you want to feel old?
Speaker 2watch the VMAs and football ended and I didn't feel like watching the after football show so I was like, oh, let me put the red carpet on before it started. And there I literally know no one, because nobody famous like sabrina carpenter the weekend no, but none of those people are on the red carpet. So it's all these little children and they all act like they're so fancy and so grown and I'm like you're just little babies. And then they perform and I'm like I still don't know who you are. Never heard that song, I've never heard your name, never seen your face. So I guess I'm officially old.
Speaker 3I think that ship sailed several years ago, that you became officially old, although your new Young Obs obsession performed I know I did see that, I did watch that, yeah, he he was good and I don't. Um, I don't know if. Have you seen that we don't care?
Speaker 1club the lady that does the.
Speaker 3We don't care she has tiktoks, but she also has reels on facebook. I'll have to send it to you, okay. But um, it's this lady and she does menopause stuff and it's the we Don't Care Club. And it's like here's the 10 things that we don't care about today, and it's like we don't care that we are wearing sweatpants all the time. And we don't care that the chin hair is longer than the hair on our heads All this. And I was going somewhere with that.
Speaker 2VMAs and all this and um.
Speaker 3I was going somewhere with that vmas. No young blood. Oh, it was, that was. We don't care that he's way too young and something else.
Speaker 2But oh, she's in love with young blood.
Speaker 3Oh, I have all of them, like that was several of them and I was like, yeah, I don't, I don't think I want him to like talk. Yeah, I think he's probably an idiot. No offense young bud. You're very pretty to look at, but I think yeah, I would go very narcissistic, oh, I'm sure.
Speaker 2So when he is talking, it's probably a lot of eye rolling.
Speaker 3Yeah, just be quiet and sit here pretty. Yeah, just let me look at you.
Speaker 2Yeah, I don't even want to touch you, I just want to look at you, push your eyeliner on and be quiet. Oh, I thought I had something else that I did, something I forgot to mention a week or two ago I left here after recording. I was driving home and way ahead of me there was this little red speck. But I loved them so much back then I was like no way, is that a Fiero? And I didn't even know they were still on the roads. So I sped up. I was on country roads, it didn't matter To catch up to him. And sure enough it was a cherry red mint condition Fiero. And I was like wow.
Speaker 3I have seen a couple, and they're always red.
Speaker 2Did they make them in another color? I feel like they came in black and silver and red, but I wouldn't drive one.
Speaker 3No.
Speaker 2They explode when they get rear-ended. Well, I mean, that was the whole issue with them.
Speaker 3These cars today are just meant to be destroyed anyway. Cars these days are just throwaways. I don't know if we talked about this. Be destroyed anyway, I don't. Cars these days are just throwaways. I don't know if we talked about this the last time, but I don't think that we did, but you're exactly right.
Speaker 3I mean you can't work on it yourself anymore. I was going to change the oil in my own car because I do actually enjoy changing the oil in my car, Like the Jeep. It was super easy because, hey, you don't have to lift it even, but there's like a whole panel underneath that you have to take off first. So it's like not even worth it trying. So I don't know, it's just.
Speaker 2I know I work with high schoolers graduating and going into careers and one of the trades a lot of the you know the more rural kind of kids whose dads worked on cars their whole life. They want to go to trade school for auto mechanics. But you have to be really good at computers and math now to do that and these kids typically aren't good at that. They're good at working with their hands. So yeah, it is weird.
Speaker 3It's crazy, because now they just want you to trade it in on something new. Yeah, because they get more money for used cars.
Speaker 2They get more profit from used cars than it's crazy. It's just because now they just want you to trade it in on something new, or they don't. Yeah, because they get more money for used cars than they. Get more profit from used cars than they get from new cars.
Speaker 3They fix whatever's wrong with it at their own cost, and then they'll put it right back out.
Speaker 2Yep and sell it for twice as much as they gave you for it. Yeah, good times.
Speaker 3Man, we sound like cranky old ladies today.
Speaker 2It's cloudy out, guys, it is. Yeah, the cows warned me on the way down that it wasn't going to be good. It's windy, I feel like a dog turd. I did drink a chocolate milkshake on the way down. Well, that might be it. It was yummy, though I bet.
Speaker 3Before we dive in, we want to take a moment to acknowledge that September is Suicide Prevention Awareness Month.
Speaker 2And we especially want to speak directly to our LGBTQ plus listeners, because this year the 988 Lifeline removed its dedicated LGBTQ plus support option, which is not just disappointing, it's dangerous.
Speaker 3So here's the deal If you're struggling, you are not alone. The 988 Suicide and Crisis Lifeline is still available 24-7. Just dial or text 988 for free confidential support from trained counselors.
Speaker 2And if you're LGBTQ plus and want to talk to someone who gets it, the Trevor Project is here for you. You can call 1-866-488-7386, text START to 678678, or visit the Trevor Projects Resource Center for chat and support.
Speaker 3We'll link both in the show notes. You matter, you're loved and we're so damn glad you're here.
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Snow White's Dark Origins
Speaker 2Hell yeah, yeah, definitely. Or message on socials. Yeah, heather typically handles the emails and I handle the socials, so she works for the post office, so you'll probably get it quicker. For if you email, you can find us. Wherever you listen to podcasts, follow us on all the socials at LikeWhateverPod, and we are on YouTube at LikeWhatever, and you can send an email to LikeWhateverPod at gmailcom. Yep, so anyway to this week. I've picked a topic that I have wanted to do for a while. I didn't really do it exactly the way I wanted to, but it's kind of the way it went. But let's fuck around and find out about fairy tales versus Disney movies. Disney's great and all, but I want to hear the grotesque origins.
Speaker 3I know most of these and I know that they are dark.
Speaker 2Yeah, there is one that I for, as much as I am fascinated with this stuff, I did not know this one part of it. The Little Mermaid no, it's Sleeping Beauty.
Speaker 3I mean that's problematic to begin with. Anyway, now to begin with anyway now.
Speaker 2Well, you just wait, all right. So this week I get my information from CulturaColectivacom. When I saw that I really thought it was going to be in Spanish, but I mean the ads were, but it was in English, thank goodness, because I got good info from it. Thevintagenewscom, everythingexplainedtodaycom and PopSugarcom Did not use any Wikipedia this week. Go me All right.
Speaker 2Let's start with something you might not know the version of Snow White. Most of us grew up with apple dwarves, glass, coffin and all has been much older and darker roots than Disney ever let on. The story, like many classic fairy tales, comes from a long tradition of myths, legends and folk tales that people in Germany and across Europe passed down for centuries, long before anyone thought to write them down. And these stories weren't originally meant for kids. They were more like the Netflix dramas of the time, full of jealousy, danger, death, magic and the occasional moral gut punch.
Speaker 2Pre-1800s, people didn't really separate stories into neat categories like myth or folklore. You had tales about gods, which were myths, stories of old heroes who may or may not have actually lived, which are legends, and the more everyday mysterious stuff that people just believed in, like forest spirits, witches, cursed places and enchanted. Everyday, mysterious stuff that people just believed in, like forest spirits, witches, cursed places and enchanted animals, which is folklore. These were passed down around in villages, by the fire at the market over generations. Some were cautionary. Others explained why the world was the way it was, but they were all part of how people made sense of things.
Speaker 2A lot of these stories had very specific local roots. That's why you'll hear about haunted trees in one forest or a girl who vanished into a mountain in another. But what's wild is that the core of these stories, the themes, are super universal. Different versions of Cinderella, for example, show up in places as far apart as india, china and ireland interesting I always wanted the um, the little mice in cinderella, because they they made her a dress and they did I like that?
Speaker 2yeah, I can't sew, so I need mice to do it for me yeah, and doing this research, like I would like like pick a Disney movie that was really famous when we were kids and still are, but for us I mean now kids have so much to watch, but for Gen X that was a big, big source of entertainment for us and I mean you could just talk for days about one of them.
Speaker 3All the different stories from different areas and different times, right, so I know, do you remember that disney movies you could only get certain times they would only release them like on now. I mean, you got all of it and anytime you want, but back then you had to wait till disney released, and then when they released, it was it they only released it for a couple weeks for you to buy it on DVD.
Speaker 2And then it wasn't like 20 years it got put away again before they'd release it again, put them in the vault. Yeah, yeah, I do remember that.
Speaker 3And then you know, it makes total sense. I mean, nobody is better at hyping shit up for their own self than Disney. True that Nobody is better than creating supply and demand than Disney, and you know. So they got that going for them.
Speaker 2Yeah, now they're just doing a channel and they just buy up all the other channels. So everything you want to watch, you have to have Disney. Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm were two german academics who lived in the early 1800s, during a time when germany wasn't yet a unified country and napoleon was marching across europe. The grims believed that if they could collect and preserve these old folk stories, they'd be saving a kind of cultural soul, something that all Germans, no matter what region they came from, could share. They weren't the only ones doing this, but they were the most influential. They started asking around, especially women who were known for being the keepers of oral stories. One of their biggest sources was a woman named Dorothea Weimann, who came from a family of French Huguenots but lived in Hesse, Germany. It's probably just Hesse, Hesse Germany, Hesse, Germany.
Speaker 2Her stories were so good, cohesive, vivid, consistent that the Grimm's ended up using a lot of them. But here's the twist the first versions of the Grimms children's and household tales were not kid-friendly. We're talking cannibalism, torture, burning shoes, death by red hot iron. The stories were raw and intense, closer to what you'd hear in a tavern than in a nursery. Over time, the Grimms edited the stories, softening the violence, making them more moral and adding Christian overtones. We just can't leave the.
Speaker 3Christian overtones out of anything.
Speaker 2I know it's so invasive. They even started swapping out evil mothers for evil stepmothers, probably because the idea of a cruel mother felt too disturbing for the growing middle class readership.
Speaker 3You know, I have a stepdaughter and I demand that she calls me step monster. And she does. She even addresses cards and stuff as her step monster.
Speaker 2Probably just hit too close to home saying that the mothers were evil, but maybe that's my personal story.
Speaker 1But, anyway.
Speaker 2So Snow White as we know, her first appearance in the Grimm's collection in 1812. But pieces of her story had already existed in German folklore for a long time, in German folklore for a long time. There's even an earlier literary version from 1782 called Reicheld, which focuses more on the evil queen's vanity and the magic mirror. And the story of Snow White's actually what got me started on. I mean, I've wanted to do this topic for a while but I watched a lot of the like History Channel, discovery Channel stuff and I can't. Maybe mysteries at the museum, I don't know. But they think Snow White may have been a real person actually. Oh Yep, but we'll get to that. But that's what got me started on this week and wanting to do this.
Speaker 2It starts as all good fairy tales do, in the winter. A queen is sitting by a window sewing. She pricks her finger and three drops of blood fall onto the snow on her ebony windowsill. The sight is so striking red on white on black that she whispers a wish I want a child with skin as white as snow, lips as red as blood and hair as black as ebony. And eventually she gets her wish. Names the baby snow white. But the queen died. Soon after bummer, the new queen takes her place, a beautiful but deeply vain woman with a magical mirror that tells her she's the fairest of them all. Until one day it doesn't. The mirror named snow white. Instead, enraged, the queen sends a huntsman to kill the girl and bring back her lungs and liver as proof. The huntsman why her liver?
Speaker 3I get the lungs Like why not her heart?
Speaker 2Her head. I thought you always brought heads back, that's true.
Speaker 3How do you prove it's? They were big on beheading people then, yeah.
Speaker 2And why do they call it beheading and not deheading, unheading, unheading. The huntsman can't do it. Snow White is just a child, so he lets her go and brings back the organs of a wild animal. Instead, the queen cooks and eats them, thinking they're Snow Whites. Maybe that's why she wanted lungs and liver. Maybe she liked lungs and liver and she knew she was going to eat them.
Speaker 3Maybe I mean like a rump roast, probably would be better yeah.
Speaker 2And bring me her buttocks.
Speaker 3Bring me the good cut On the ribs. Bring me some ribs and barbecue sauce.
Speaker 2There we go, yeah, meanwhile, snow White Jeffrey. Dahmer of her A lot of Jeffrey Dahmers in ancient fairy tales. Meanwhile, snow White flees deep into the forest and finds a tiny cottage where she meets seven dwarfs. They agree to let her stay if she cooks and cleans and doesn't open the door to anyone. That's creepy, it is.
Speaker 3Like you can stay here, but you have to be our slave, don't you open that fucking door.
Speaker 2You have to be our slave and no one's allowed to know you're here.
Speaker 3Puts the lotion in the basket or it gets the hose again.
Speaker 2Hey, she had a roof over her head. What are you going to do? All right, but the queen figures out she's still alive. And here's where it gets extra folkloric.
Speaker 2She tries to kill Snow White three times First with a tight corset that cuts off her hair, then with a poisoned Been there, then with a poisoned comb I don't understand how that works, I know and finally with a poisoned apple One half harmless, one half deadly. The third time works. Snow White falls seemingly dead. The dwarfs can't bear to bury her, so they place her in a glass coffin in the forest where she lies for a long time. Snow White falls seemingly dead. The dwarfs can't bear to bury her, so they place her in a glass coffin in the forest where she lies for a long time, unchanging and preserved, that's also weird.
Speaker 3Yeah, I mean you would think like decay is going to happen if she's dead. And if she's not dead, you're not feeding her. What is happening?
Speaker 2Yeah, she's in a coma, that's what it's called. They didn't know what comas were back then.
Speaker 3They live in the forest.
Speaker 2Eventually, a prince comes by, sees her and instantly falls in love with her, despite her being dead, and asks the dwarves if he can take her with him. Hey, can I take that dead girl over there? I think I love her.
Speaker 3And that's how necrophilia happens, kids.
Speaker 2As his servants carry the coffin away which they couldn't bear to bury her, but they're just going to hand her over to some random guy that comes around. Sure, go ahead, I can. We're sick of looking at her. Looking at her. Comes around, sure, go ahead. Okay, we're sick of looking at it. As they take the coffin away, they stumble, dislodging uh the piece of poisoned apple from her throat and she wakes up. See, she was choking the entire time. The prince proposes on the spot and snow white says yes well.
Speaker 3So that is a little different, because in the disney movie he kisses her, so that's, and that's, that's way creepy like uh-huh, uh-huh, I mean fall.
Speaker 2I can't wait to get to some of the other creepy stuff pretty much all creepy in this one and I don't know if her yes to that proposal would stand up in court, because she had just been in a coma for how long, like she probably didn't know what she was saying Girl, you can get an annulment on that one. All right. The queen is invited to the wedding, not knowing whose it is. When she arrives and sees Snow White alive, she's forced to dance in red, hot iron shoes until she dies.
Speaker 3That's random, all right.
Speaker 2Yeah, I don't really know how you're dancing when you have red, hot iron shoes on your feet.
Speaker 3Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 2Why would you bother to dance Like, yeah, you're gonna die anyway?
Speaker 3Why did they invite her yeah? That's a good question too, because snow white doesn't know who she is anymore, because she's she was choking, for she had lacked so much oxygen she has amnesia I mean I would probably say yes to the prince proposal too, if I have been living in a cabin in the woods and had to do all the cooking and cleaning and can't open the door, and and he comes along and is like hey, you want to go live in this castle?
Speaker 2Lesser to evils. Yeah, yeah, All right. So every image is packed with symbolism Blood on snow, enchanted mirrors, poisoned fruit, death and rebirth. It's a story about envy, survival, innocence and the long, strange journey from childhood to power. So now was Snow White a real person? And I feel like I did a lot of research and I couldn't. I feel like what I heard on TV was more informative than what I found, but maybe not. Maybe I just blew it up in my head, but anyway, maybe it's better than I think.
Speaker 3I don't know, I do it all the time, yeah.
Speaker 2All right. So here's where it gets, even juicier. In 1994, a german historian named eckhard sander suggested that snow white might have been based on a real woman, margaret von veldeck, a countess born in 1533. At 16, margaret was sent away by her stepmother to live in Brussels, where she fell in love with a prince who would later become Philip II of Spain. Her parents weren't exactly thrilled. The match was politically inconvenient, and then she mysteriously died at 21, poisoned. And as far as the dwarfs, this is dark because Margaret's father owned copper mines where children worked in horrific conditions. The surviving kids were often stunted, deformed and referred to as poor dwarfs. Oh yeah, so watch Snow White again and think about poor, deformed children, yes, abused children. Nice, see how much fun it is then.
Speaker 3Then hi-ho.
Speaker 2Even the poisoned apple might be grounded in real events. A man in the region was once arrested for handing out poisoned apples to children who stole from his orchard Fucking kids Fair enough.
Speaker 3Hey, don't steal apples from the orchard, you little bastards.
Speaker 2Go back into the mine. I don't care if you're starving. God Damn it Fucking kids. I mean, have you ever seen how many apples a tree produces?
Speaker 3You can spare a handful of kids grabbing an apple, not if you're an old man. It's a lot um which was probably like 30 at the time all right.
Speaker 2So another contender as possibly being the real snow white is maria sofia von earthel, born in 1729 in lorbe area. Her story also includes a not-so-nice stepmother and a family castle with a talking mirror. Not magical, but an acoustical novelty that could project sound, crafted by a local mirror factory. Huh, mm-hmm Technology, I know 1522.
Speaker 3There's more. Oh no, that was 1729. My bad, Really not much different.
Speaker 2No, just outside Lour is a mining town called Bieber, not.
Speaker 3Justin, not Bieber.
Speaker 2Set among seven hills. The tunnels were so small that only very short workers could fit. Many of them wore bright hooded clothing. Sounds familiar, right, jockeys? Exactly, even the glass coffin might connect to the region's famous glassworks. The deadly nightshade grows wild in the area. So maybe Snow White is part Margaret, part Maria Sophia, or maybe she's a little bit of every girl whose story got folded into the folklore along the way. That's what folktales do. Fairy tales are never just what they seem. You can read Snow White as a simple story about good triumphing over evil, but once you peel back the layers it's a web of symbolism, coded messages about human nature growing up, danger, purity and power. Uh, here's a closer look at what some of those elements might really mean. The apple is one of the oldest symbols in mythology and religious imagery. Think back to eve in the garden of eden goddamn Eve eating a motherfucking apple.
Speaker 3Damn it, bitch. All our problems would not have gone away if she didn't want some damn apple. Yeah, god forbid, she was hungry. I don't even like apples. Any other fruit Eve, any other fruit.
Speaker 2In Snow White, the poisoned apple is the final trap. And it's not just any poison, it's hidden inside beauty. That's the key. It represents temptation, but also deception. Something can look shiny, perfect, delicious, but it may carry danger deep inside. It's the classic, too good to be true moment. Some scholars argue it's about growing up, that bittersweet moment when innocence meets danger and you can't uneat the apple I didn't get like. Innocence meets danger. Is that what growing up is?
Speaker 3I mean In some cases, I suppose I think stranger danger would be like right in that wheelhouse. I have some puppies for you.
Speaker 1Okay.
Speaker 2That's danger. Once you've tasted betrayal or desire, you can't go back. True story historian maria tater, who has written extensively on the grimes and fairy tales, suggests the poisoned apple marks the boundary between childhood and adulthood, between naive trust and the knowledge that not everything is what it seems. Wasn't that a bummer when we figured all that out?
Speaker 2In the Disney version the dwarves are named Sleepy Dopey, grumpy, doc and so on, but in the Grimm version they're anonymous. Even so, the number seven is deeply symbolic. It's the number of completeness in many traditions seven days of the week, seven deadly sins, seven virtues. In that sense the dwarfs can be seen as representing different facets of the human psyche or even different emotional responses to hardship, joy, fear, anger, detachment, etc. They also serve a practical role. They give Snow White shelter, fear, anger, detachment, etc. They also serve a practical role. They give Snow White shelter, protection and a sort of surrogate family slash master. But they're also transitional figures, not quite children, not quite adults, not quite magical, not quite human. In Jungian Jungian, jungian Jungian In Jungian psychology. See, I studied psychology, you would think I would know that.
Speaker 3What's his name? It's.
Speaker 2Carl Jung, right, oh yeah, they could even be seen as archetypes, fragments of the self that support transformation. Snow White has to move through their world before she can find her own, has to move through their world before she can find her own. The image of Snow White lying in the glass coffin in the middle of the forest is one of the most haunting parts of the story. She's not dead exactly, but she's not alive either. It's the strange in-between space.
Speaker 3Schrodinger's Snow White.
Speaker 2The glass coffin is a symbol of suspended time. It preserved her purity but also traps her. She becomes an object, looked at but untouched. It's often interpreted as a critique of how female beauty is idolized and frozen in time. The story doesn't end until the prince comes and breaks the stasis. Some literary critics point out that the part of the story reflects a kind of ritual death and rebirth, a symbolic transformation that has to happen before Snow White can truly become a woman with autonomy and power.
Speaker 3I mean I don't think women had autonomy back then. No, it's the 1700s Shit.
Speaker 2it's 2025 and we don't have autonomy. Exactly One of the first lines in Grimm's version is iconic the queen pricks her finger and sees three colors red, white and black. These aren't random. These are symbolic anchors that show up again and again in European folklore. Red stands for life, blood, desire and passion. White is innocence, purity, virginity, but also stillness, snow and coldness. And black is death, mystery. Death mystery, evil and the unconscious, which is why heather likes black the best. Yeah, together, these three colors map out the entire emotional landscape of the story. Snow white herself embodies all three. She is the innocent, which is the white color, who faces danger and death, which is black, but ultimately reclaims life and passion, which is red. It's a symbolic transformation from child to adult, light to dark and back again. We don't always walk around analyzing color palettes or dreaming of poisoned apples, but these symbols still speak to us. They show up in art, books, movies, even our language.
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Cinderella: The Bloody Slipper Story
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Speaker 2All right, so next we are going to move on to the beautiful, magical little story of Cinderella.
Speaker 3Cinderella Justin Yellow, so Cinderella uh, so cinderella.
Speaker 2The disney version comes from a brother's grim, um fairy tale called the little ash girl. Uh, it starts out as you would expect the mother dies, father remarries. Um, oh, this name yeah, I was. I looked it up even I'm gonna say ashen poodle, okay, because it's fun. Uh, becomes a servant. Which ashen poodle is? The little ash girl. I'm gonna call her ash. There you go, there we go. Ash becomes a servant, but remains good and kind. When the father goes on a journey, the stepsisters demand costly gifts, while ash asks only for the first twig to knock his hat off. She plants this on her mother's grave and a hazel tree grows. I don't think that's how trees grow, but anyway, ash prays beneath the tree and a white bird throws down to her whatever she wishes for, I'm going to find this white bird?
Speaker 3Yeah, yeah, exactly. I got a lot of wishes.
Speaker 2Next time you get a twig in your bonnet, give it to me so we can plant that tree. I got to get a bonnet. She does wear bonnets. No, she doesn't. All right, this story provides us with our first glimpse of animal helpers, an element that became such a mainstream for Disney cartoons. When Ash asked to go to the ball, the stepmother throws some lentils into the ashes and declares that she can only go to the mall if she cleans them up in two hours.
Speaker 3I mean, how many Wait a second? She threw lentils into the fire, into the ashes. Okay, but can't you just scoop all that up and be like ta-da, Like why is lentils? I don't get it, I don't get it.
Speaker 2I don't get it either. And how many lentils was it? And did they really have a concept of two hours back then for her to like she didn't have a stopwatch to time her? Well, I guess, when the sand oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, the sand too. I forgot about that. All right, ash does so with the help of some doves and pigeons that come when she sings. Of course, she's still not allowed to go to the ball, even when she cleans up. Another lentil spillage, just some serious spillage with the lentils.
Speaker 2This lady needs a better container for her lentils.
Speaker 3Buy some Tupperware. It burps.
Speaker 2In the Grimm's version, the prince hosts three balls and the hazel tree provides Ash with three ever more beautiful dresses to attend each one. Now you really need the tree to give you pretty ball dresses.
Speaker 3Something I like more than a pretty ball dress.
Speaker 2It is true. But after that things start to take a dark turn. When the prince visits the house with the slipper for the daughters to try on, the eldest goes first. The eldest went with the shoe into her room and wanted to try it on, but her mother stood by. But she could not get her big toe into it and the shoe was too small for her. Then her mother gave her a knife and said cut the toe off when thou art, queen, thou wilt have no more need to go on foot.
Speaker 3Look, I am not going to lie.
Speaker 2I have seriously considered cutting my toes off for a pair of shoes, and I'm not kidding, I know, I'm not joking, but back then, I mean, gangrene would have been for sure again yeah, the right fucking shoe.
Speaker 3you know, because they have, I have big feet, we are cursed with big feet, we have big feet and they don't have cute shoes and big foot, they, they don't.
Speaker 2They don't, and shoes that look cute aren't cute anymore when you get them to our size.
Speaker 3No, Well, they look like clown shoes. Yeah, exactly. So if I can cut my toes off and have smaller feet, then I can wear cute shoes.
Speaker 2So the maiden cut off her toe, forced the foot into the shoes, swollen with pain, and went out to the king's son. Then he took her on his horse as his bride and rode away with her. This dastardly scheme might have worked if it wasn't for the fact that the pair rode past the grave of Ash's mother. Two birds rose up from the hazel tree and told the prince to look at the blood dripping from his bride's shoe.
Speaker 3Were they pigeons? Because they're rats. Yeah, exactly they're like yo Check out her shoe, yo bro.
Speaker 2When it is time for the second sister to try on the shoe, her mother instructs her to cut off a bit of her heel so it will fit. Although the girl does so, the birds betray her again. When Ash is finally on the prince's horse and heading for the palace, the two birds fly down to sit on her shoulders like hey, it's this one dude. In grim's version, ash, happily ever after, comes with a hefty dose of vengeance. In a coda that was included in the second edition that was published in 1819, the two stepsisters turned up at the wedding and tried to worm their way into Ash's good favor. When the betrothed couple went to church, the elder was at the right side and younger at the left, and those pesky pigeons again pecked out one eye of each of them Afterwards as they came back.
Speaker 3The elder was at the left and the younger at the right and the pigeons pecked out one eye of each of them.
Speaker 2Oh rats. Afterwards, as they came back, the elder was at the left and the younger at the right, and the pigeons pecked out the other eyes. That's smart. Those girls were smart, and thus, for their wickedness and falsehood, they were punished with blindness as long as they lived.
Speaker 3Okay, also, like I get it that you're pissed off at these two, but then'll just sit there and watch while birds peck out their eyes At your wedding, yeah. And then they move sides so there's blood running out of the pecked out side and they're like, hey, let's just switch sides, and then the birds come again and pick it and you just, anybody object here.
Speaker 2Well, apparently they're just oblivious to blood, because the one sister came hobbling out with her toe cut off, rammed into a shoe that doesn't fit her, and the prince was like, hey, let's go, and threw her on the horse and headed out. So, man, not very observant, sounds like all right. Yeah, so that was. That was the story of cinderella. Uh, I went into the most depth with snow white because that was the one I was fascinated with. But, right, whoo, this sleeping beauty one. It's pretty crazy. Yeah, it's also problematic. It is. Yeah, we should probably do a Trigger warning. Yeah, yeah, we should. Sexual assault yeah, of course.
Sleeping Beauty's Disturbing True Tale
Speaker 2So anyway. So Sleeping Beauty comes from a fairy tale that was called sun, moon and talia um, after the birth of a great lord's daughter, talia, wise men and astrologers cast the child's horoscope and predicted that talia would be endangered by a splinter of flax. To protect his daughter, the father commanded that no flax would ever be brought into his house. Years later, talia sees an old man spinning flax on a spindle. She asked the woman if she can stretch the flax herself. But as soon as she begins to spin, a splinter of flax gets stuck under her fingernail, which just sounds so painful, uh, and she collapses in sleep. Unable to stand the thought of burying his daughter, talia's father puts his daughter in one of his country estates.
Speaker 3They got a real issue with burying people.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, don't let it go. I mean, they had to have gotten stinky real quick back then, although they were frozen in time, apparently. So sometime later, here we go, although they were frozen in time, apparently. Sometime later, here we go. A king who is out hunting in the nearby woodlands follows his falcon into the house. He finds Talia, overcome with her beauty. He tries, unsuccessfully, to wake her and then, crying aloud, he beheld her charms and felt his blood course hotly through his veins, if you know what I'm saying. He lifted her in his arms and carried her to a bed where he gathered the first fruits of love. So those are all really pretty words to say. He raped her. Afterwards he leaves her on the bed, typical, and returns to his own city. Talia becomes pregnant and after nine months, while still deeply asleep, gives birth to twins, a boy and a girl. Y'all didn't know Cinderella was about this, did ya?
Speaker 3No wait or Sleeping.
Speaker 2Beauty, sleeping Beauty. I meant, yeah, one day the girl cannot find her mother's breast.
Speaker 3Instead she begins to suck her finger and draws the flax splinter out.
Speaker 2So nobody thought about trying to pull the splinter out.
Speaker 3Nobody was like wait, I bet there's a hold on. Somebody said she was gonna get a splinter and die and now she's dead.
Speaker 2So maybe if we check the splinter situation, well, I mean, she wasn't dead because she did become pregnant by rape. Well, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3She was in a coma, I guess.
Speaker 2Yeah, it's still blowing my mind to read this, Like how I don't know People are sick.
Speaker 3People have always been sick. Good thing we have science now.
Speaker 2Anyway, talia awakens immediately and names her beloved children, sun and Moon, and lives with them in the house. The king returns to find Talia awake, revealing to her that he is the father because he raped her to her twin children. The two fall in love. However, the king is already married, shocker and one night he calls out the names of Talia's son and moon in his sleep. His wife, the queen, hears him and forces the king's secretary to tell her everything and then, using a forged message, has Talia's children brought to court. She orders the cook to kill the children and serve them to the king. Really, have a thing about it. Lots of Jeffrey Dahmer's, uh. But the cook hides them. Uh, I think I actually read somewhere else that he took him to his wife and they took care of him. Um, but anyway, not that this story is true. But uh, the cook hides them and goes on to cook two lambs instead. The queen taunts the king while he eats the meal, unaware of the cook's exchange.
Speaker 2Then the queen brings Talia to court. She commands that a huge fire be lit in the courtyard and that Talia be thrown into the flames. Talia asks the queen to allow her to take off her fine garments first. The queen agrees. Talia undresses and utters screams of grief with each piece of clothing. The king hears Talia's screams and goes to her, where his wife tells him that Talia will be burned and that he has unknowingly eaten his own children. The king Jokes on you. The king, realizing all the ruse, commands that his wife, his, his secretary and the cook be thrown into the fire instead. But the cook explains how he had saved sun and moon and fed the king two lambs instead talia and the king mary, and the cook is promoted to royal chamberlain whoa bro, I didn't cook.
Speaker 3No kids see, it was a happy ending anyway, it was lamb the cook.
Speaker 2Happy ending for the cook. Ending anyway, it was lamb the cook. Happy ending for the cook.
Speaker 3I know it's so ridiculous All right, I think this is my last one and it's your favorite. It is my favorite when they walk, where they run.
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Speaker 2And because you're one of us, use code likewhateverpod for 15% off Garden State Distillery, because therapy is expensive and this tastes better, all right, so, little Mermaid, you've likely heard the story of the Little Mermaid many times before and, by the way, when you were talking about the releases, I have a memory, and I don't know if it's correct Didn't you own the Little Mermaid with the phallus castle? Yes, you don't still have it, do you? No, I don't. Yeah, that was pretty crazy, because I know it was real, because you had it, I saw it.
Speaker 3I did have it because the Little Mermaid is my second favorite. Disney movie.
Speaker 2Next to oh yeah, I don't think about that being Disney. I forget, I know.
Speaker 3I think of Tim Burton, everybody forgets All right.
Speaker 2It begins with a mermaid longing to explore the human world, a longing that intensifies when she falls in love with a prince. She then exchanges her voice with a sea witch for the opportunity to become human, and though the sea witch nearly ruins everything, ultimately the mermaid gets her happily ever after. So that's the fun story, that's the good stuff. Actually, the Little Mermaid story most of us know and love is a rewrite of a much older, much bloodier fairy tale. In 1837, danish writer Hans Christian Andersen penned the original the Little Mermaid.
Speaker 2It begins similarly to Disney's familiar version, starting out by focusing on a mermaid longing to be with a prince whom she can't reach. But in Andersen's version, the mermaid's trade with the sea witch requires a bit more than her voice. Instead, the sea witch cuts out the mermaid's tongue and gives her a pair of legs, though she warns her that every step she takes will feel like walking on knives. The sea witch also gives the mermaid a terrible ultimatum, telling her that if the prince marries someone else, she'll die the morning after the wedding. Uh, anderson's version also doesn't exactly have the fairy tale ending we're used to. In his story, the prince falls in love with another woman and the mermaid prepares to die. Then, on her last night alive, her mermaid sisters come to her and say they've bargained with the sea witch and sold their hair in exchange for a magic knife.
Speaker 2But there's a catch in order to always, in order to survive, the mermaid has to use the knife to kill the prince. Devastated, the mermaid chooses to sacrifice herself instead, which just shows how dumb women are sometimes Like seriously, he chose another woman.
Speaker 3You were right there, move on Exactly.
Speaker 2She jumps into the sea and by the morning she's nothing more than seafoam. Wow, still after her death, the mermaid meets mysterious airborne beings that tell her that her selflessness means that she has a chance to attain an immortal soul. If she uses her next 300-year lifespan in the spirit world for good deeds, they tell her, she'll be welcomed into heaven.
Speaker 3Ain't that the way it always is. Fuck that. Yeah, just send me to heaven, I'll stay as seafoam, thanks.
Speaker 2There you go. Exactly, that's nothing bad, no. Stay as seafoam, thanks. There you go. Exactly, that's nothing bad, no. Intriguingly, the tragic tale may have been inspired by Anderson's real-life heartbreak. Just before Anderson wrote the Little Mermaid, he learned that his longtime friend, edward Colin, was engaged to a woman. For years, anderson had been writing Colin letters that expressed romantic feelings towards him. I languish for you as a pretty Calabrian wench. My sentiments for you are those of a woman Anderson wrote in one letter the femininity of my nature and our friendship must remain a mystery. Through that lens, anderson's story can be read as a metaphor for suppressed queer desire.
Speaker 3Yeah, yeah, I never heard where they walk up, where they run, yeah, where they stay all day in the sun. I want to be where the people are.
The Little Mermaid's Tragic Ending
Speaker 2I mean, you know who ursula is modeled after, right, I feel like I read that because I read a lot of stuff and I was trying to find, like the stories I like the best.
Speaker 3Divine.
Speaker 2Oh, mm, hmm.
Speaker 3Mm, hmm, mm, hmm, mm hmm, all right.
Speaker 2So why do we tell these stories? If you think about it, folk tales are one of the oldest tools we have for understanding the world. Long before we had schools, science or therapy, we had stories. They were how people passed on knowledge, warned each other about danger, tried to explain death and love and fear and joy, and how they made sense of what couldn't be controlled. Folktales are kind of like the collective diary of a community. You can read a story and immediately get a feel for what a society valued or feared In a time when famine was real and kids didn't always make it to adulthood. It makes sense that so many stories are about hunger, survival and abandonment, or why forests are scary, magical places, because in medieval Europe they were.
Speaker 1I think they still are.
Speaker 2Yeah, they were full of wolves, bandits and the unknown.
Speaker 3I think they still are.
Speaker 2So stories didn't just entertain, they help people prepare. And that reminded me that one story that I didn't do because there are just so many versions of it and I just couldn't make it work Hansel and Gretel. Yeah, like that story is crazy. Yes, and it took place during a famine, so people were literally abandoning their children eating their own children.
Speaker 3I think that is based on a true story, isn't it?
Speaker 2it is similar it is it is based on and I, like I said, I read a lot about it and I have a terrible memory so I don't remember exactly when, but there is a specific period in time where there was a famine. I want to say it was like the 1200s, it was like a long time ago and, um, that really was happening. Like Like people had to make that choice, like I read that like older people were starving to death so the younger people could have the food. Literally, mothers were eating their children, they were abandoning them in the woods, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3Yeah, I think I want to say the last podcast on the left did an episode about the real life Hansel and Gretel Podcast on the. Left did an episode about the real life Hansel and Gretel.
Speaker 2Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Yep, but everything's so old and there are so many stories. Right, it was just or I could have done like you said. They did an entire episode just on that, I think they did. They also reinforce social values, which I don't see any social values pretty much in any of these.
Speaker 3No, well, I mean maybe at the time. I don't see any social values pretty much in any of these. No Well, I mean maybe at the time, really no.
Speaker 2Okay, think of how many fairy tales reward kindness, cleverness or humility, no-transcript rape yeah, so, yeah, um, and punish the greed or cruelty. These weren't random. They were ways of shaping behavior in a world where religion and custom often ruled daily life, and they weren't just for kids either. Folk tales were shared around fires, in markets, at weddings, funerals, over harvest. They help people bond, reflect, laugh and sometimes even grieve. In times of instability, war, poverty, migration, stories became a form of resilience, something you could carry with you, something no one could take, a portable piece of identity. That's what made them powerful, and you know what this reminds me of. This is how the Bible was written. But I digress Seriously it's all folklore that was just passed down around fires.
Speaker 1I'm not disagreeing with you, I know.
Speaker 2Sorry, I have the right. I was tortured in the church for I didn't say anything.
Speaker 3I agree with you 100%. It's all made up the right. I was tortured in the church, I agree with you All made up All right.
Speaker 2So in the end, snow White, like so many folk tales, is more than just an old story with a poisoned apple and a prince. It's a mirror of the world. That made it A little fragment of memory passed from mouth to mouth, reshaped by the people who needed it most. Once it was told in hushed voices by firelight. Now it's played out on screens, rewritten in books, reimagined through animation, art, film, tiktokers and memes, and still it survives. That's the thing about folktales they were never meant to stay the same. They evolve because we evolve the same way.
Why Fairy Tales Matter Today
Speaker 2Oral tradition, once adapted to the needs of a community offering comfort, warnings, laughter or identity, our modern retellings do something similar. They stretch the stories to speak to our time. Sometimes we give the prince more agency, sometimes we question the prince, sometimes the stepmother isn't evil, just misunderstood, and every version tells us something about who we are now. But the core stays the fear, the beauty, the hunger, the danger, the fear or the hope. Let me do that again. But the core stays the fear, the beauty, the hunger, the danger, the hope. It's all still there, dressed up in new clothes, because we still need stories that help us make sense of the world. We're still there, dressed up in new clothes, because we still need stories that help us make sense of the world. We still need myths and magic and moral questions and dark forest and unlikely heroes. Folk tales are proof that memory doesn't just live in history books. It lives in stories, and as long as we keep telling them around tables, in classrooms, through poems and movies and bedtime whispers, they'll keep growing with us.
Speaker 3Nice.
Speaker 2Yeah. So some of you may be wondering, like, how is this Gen X? But seriously, we grew up and really what I would love to do is there are just so many, and even if it's just a little rhyme, like Ring Around the Posies, is about the Black Death, exactly so. There's just so much of that under all the things that we still know all the words to, because that's what we did back then.
Speaker 3All of them, I mean we Willy Winky. And that's creepy, because he's peering in the windows and crying through the locks. It's weird.
Speaker 2Yeah, there's so many of them and it's fun to go back as an adult now. And another thing I realized through this that you might be interested in, heather, is one of my Google searches just trying to do broad searches was dark fairy tales for adults. Thinking that it would tell me like those, but they're actually new fairy tales for adults. Thinking that it would tell me like those, but they're actually new fairy tales that have been made for adults. Like it and Art the Clown.
Speaker 3I hadn't heard of any of them, because clowns are creepy.
Speaker 2They are Especially John Wayne Gacy. He's been popping up lately.
Speaker 3I know. I wonder what's up with that. I I wonder what's up with that. I don't know. What is that? I don't know. I do know that the new um oh, what the hell is that? Show Monsters what they did.
Speaker 2Yes, where they do, yeah, specific yeah.
Speaker 3The one about Ed Gein, the one, the thing they did, like Jeffrey Dahmer, uh-huh, yeah, they did the one, and it's the guy from Sons of Anarchy.
Speaker 2Yes, that's what it was. Yes.
Speaker 3That comes out October 3rd, by the way, uh-huh.
Speaker 1I'm excited.
Speaker 3We had to look it up because I could not, for the life of me, remember.
Speaker 2I know, look it up, because I could not for the life of me remember. I know I'm sitting over here like peg from, married with children, isn't it?
Speaker 3I know?
Speaker 3we have, yeah, we're getting old, we can't help it no my, I was never a big fan of the older cartoons. I think, like I, my sister absolutely loves Cinderella. She wanted to have she almost got to have the Cinderella wedding. She was supposed to get married in Disney World and you can get the glass coach and she was like fully on board on that. And it's hilarious because my sister is not that kind of person, but it is what she has always dreamed of. And you know the dress she wore yes, that's a Cinderella dress and yeah, but my mom and dad had an accident so they could not, right, we could not do that.
Speaker 2Yeah, and ironically, sleeping Beauty was always my favorite. Like I had the album I listened to it all the time.
Speaker 3My mom loves Sleeping Beauty. Well, she won't after if we tell her what it's really about, but mine was always a little mermaid. Yeah, I don't know why. I think I just like mermaids. Yeah, although it's weird, because a I don't know if you know that. I think we've talked about this before that the rich people are eating mermaids. I don't know if you know that. I think we've talked about this before that the rich people are eating mermaids, I don't know.
Speaker 2Yes, yeah, they have them in coolers at their parties.
Speaker 3Yes, and they do think that the sailors thought manatees were mermaids. Right, but they don't sing and they don't eat people.
Speaker 2And they'd be really chunky mermaids. They are not the sexy little ones that we see. I think they liked them big back then. I don't know.
Speaker 3They also. I just like the whole, my whole thing. I am fascinated with mermaids anyway, like that whole siren song, but then again like anything that screams like that. I love Banshees, they're my favorites.
Speaker 2I feel like mermaids are one of the more. They feel more like they could be real than a lot of the other mythical creatures. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3I think Bigfoot's probably the most likely one to be real.
Speaker 2Yeah, but he's just some form of Giant ape. Yeah, he's just Neanderthal.
Speaker 3That just didn't die out. Yeah, I think I just love the whole concept of a mermaid.
Speaker 2It is pretty neat.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 2And I could understand where sailors I mean you've got to go batshit crazy just out on a ship for all that time.
Speaker 3Think about just living at the beach. When you're on the beach at night there is a whistle, the wind makes them blowing through reeds and stuff like that. So I could hear you can hear where there would be some kind of a siren song, and they didn't have lighthouses most of the time so they would crash into the rocks and we've both spent time out on a boat.
Speaker 2You, just out the corner of your eye, see something, or you're not sure what it was. You just saw, yeah, and it's underwater mostly, so you're just seeing a piece of it.
Speaker 3That's another thing. The whole earth is so much water and there's so much shit in the water that we just do not know about. I mean, obviously there's probably not mermaids down there. Well, not what we think that they are. No they're probably that. Who had the mermaid skeleton? Was it Ringman?
Speaker 2Yeah, had the mermaid skeleton.
Speaker 3Yes, and it was just a fish and a monkey. Yes, poor monkey. People paid to see that shit, though I don't know. I just, I just, I always liked the little mermaid, yeah, but my sister likes Cinderella and my mom likes Sleeping Beauty, mm-hmm and Snow White.
Speaker 2Yeah, she was never my favorite.
Speaker 3I didn't like her dress. I think that was it.
Speaker 2Yeah, that's it. She was a little too peasant-y looking, yeah, I didn't care for.
Speaker 3like the big puppy sleeves, I'm not a puppy sleeve.
Speaker 2She had short hair.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 2I mean I yeah, I don't know, the dwarves were weird. Yeah, that's kind of creepy. And now we know they were just deformed children that weren't their minds.
Speaker 3So you know well, that was great. Thank you, yeah, you're welcome for that entertainment. I had fun researching that. That was fun. I hope everybody learned something the more you know. Um. Thank you for listening. Thank you, you can like share rate review. Please find us where you listen to the podcast. Tell a friend, follow us on all the socials at like whatever pod. Don't forget, if you want a sticker, send us an email or uh something on the socials. Or you can send us an email about why you think mermaids are real. To like whatever pod at gmailcom. Or don't like whatever whatever. Bye.
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