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Join Heather and Nicole as we discuss all things Gen-X with personal nostalgia, current events, and an advocacy for the rights of all humans. From music to movies to television and so much more, revisit the generational trauma we all experienced as we talk about it all. Take a break from today and travel back to the long hot summer days of the 80s and 90s. Come on slackers, fuck around and find out with us!
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Girls Just Want To Be In The Hall
The wind is howling, the coffee’s hot, and we’re already arguing about why a low‑scoring NFL slugfest is the most beautiful kind of football. Defense and field position feel like chess to us, not a lull—so we dig into the joy of a stress‑free Sunday when your team isn’t playing, the magic of watching RedZone without stakes, and the weird way a city’s first championship changes your heart forever. Couch vs. stadium? We weigh the Rocky‑anthem goosebumps against frozen toes, 1 a.m. traffic, and the undeniable pull of a warm blanket.
Then we turn hard into complexity: Aileen Wuornos and the tangle of trauma, survival, and escalation. We explore nature vs. nurture without a textbook, using real family dynamics to show how time and circumstance can tilt two lives raised by the same parents. Curiosity leads, not certainty. It’s messy, human, and more honest than the headlines.
Our core beat lands in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame—Cleveland’s glass pyramid of culture wars and goosebumps. We unpack what the Hall honors, why its voting feels opaque, and how its name “rock and roll” both limits and liberates. The highlight reel is full of women who refused the background: Aretha cracks the door, Stevie enters twice, Tina rises, Carol writes the decades, Joan Jett turns grit into gospel, Madonna paints with controversy, and Cindy Lauper stands beneath a rainbow singing True Colors like a mission statement. We trade who‑inducted‑whom stories—Angela Bassett for Tina, Alicia Keys for Whitney, Big Boi for Kate Bush—because lineage matters and influence is a web, not a straight line.
Nostalgia sweetens the edges: Back to the Future on the couch, an A‑Team snack, and a 1984 diary entry with recess, band, and a carefully guarded shoebox. Real life pops in too—YMCA pre‑diabetes programs, holiday parcel madness at the post office, auroras you only catch on camera, and a fox scream that sounds like an alien alarm. It’s a full Gen X mixtape: weather, football, true crime nuance, and the Rock Hall’s overdue flowers for women who changed music.
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Two best friends fucking fast We're missing to our case we're having a blast Seeing these dreams It was all bad like you know it's like whatever forever Ever never never laughing sharing our scoring forever We'll take you back like whatever Welcome to Like Whatever a podcast for by and about Gen X I'm Nicole and this might be FFF Heather Hello It's cold here today It is freaking freezing here Yes oh firstly happy Veterans Day Yes thank you to everyone who fights to um give us what we have uh I appreciate I could never do it no and I appreciate all of you seriously yeah um but thank you for your service Yes thank you so much um but yeah it's fucking cold here today it really is and I volunteered to work today because you know as a government worker we had off today but I was like no I need money so I will work and I deeply regretted that a because the Eagles game went so late last night and B because it's 12 degrees outside and windy like 80 mile an hour winds the wizard of Oz windy outside welcome to winter although I heard tomorrow is supposed to be like 50 degrees so who knows what's gonna happen yeah but I hate wind the wind is terrible like I'm I'm summer all the way like summer is my jam I prefer fall yeah everybody loves fall and I hate fall because I love to garden and fall means summer and gardening are ending but the other day it was super windy and my friend was saying something about being windy I was like just another reason why I hate fall and winter around here because windy seasons windy all the time we call this cold windy season and the best part is is she now has to come down here yeah and it's like three times windier down here all the time.
SPEAKER_03:Yes because it's coming off the ocean off the ocean so it's way windy today but it is very windy today yeah and cold yeah but I didn't have to work today so I hated myself so I'm okay and I'm working tomorrow is my day off and I'm working and I hate myself already for tomorrow already hating myself yes at that Eagles game last night huh crazy shoot I was like they I felt like they stayed between the 30 yard lines I I know the whole first half of the game like it was crazy it was definitely it's my favorite kind of game which is a defense all defense all the time I hate a big offensive I hate a high scoring game I hate all that and I uh I love a low scoring back and forth knock down drag out I love it and it I got it I mean you're gonna see them both in the playoffs too they're gonna maybe play each other again so it's a good game yeah you know we beat them three times they tried but they just can't do it I don't like a high score I don't everybody else likes the you know the shootouts or whatever I did it's I mean it's fine but it it's exciting it's different yeah I just I love my favorite part of football isn't the I mean I guess it is it's the the chess of it all yeah it's the it's the intellectual side of football I know you're all being like you're nuts but no I'm not it's it's a great intellectual game it really is and I didn't dislike last night's game I mean I I was just like wow like I can't believe how much of this is going back and forth like nobody's getting anything so I said after the game I was like man that was a real barn burner and you know he looked at me and he was like I have never heard that phrase so is that just like a football phrase because he doesn't watch football is that like a football phrase or is it like a Delaware thing? But then I googled it and it was like there and it was in the dictionary so maybe it's just he's an idiot.
SPEAKER_02:Maybe it happens yeah it was a really good weekend of football anyway I thought there were some blowouts um but there were some really really good games I like it when the Eagles don't play on a Sunday because then you can just enjoy the day me too you don't have to stress out about anything you don't have to like worry about the four o'clock game or the eight o'clock game or miss all the one o'clock games because you're only watching the Eagles game like I like to watch the red zone channel.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah I don't get that yeah but I just feel like you can enjoy the day you're not you know you can take a little snappy nap and like you don't do a little clean in or something not really pay attention. Yeah you're just in and out and the game's on and and then you know sometimes you get a really good game and you got no skin in it so you're like well this is a game. Yeah like um was it Houston that game was really good yeah I didn't want I didn't I forget what game we had on probably Wash well Washington was at four I don't remember what the first it was the Minnesota game was first or was that the second was it Minnesota and Washington no it was in Minnesota so it was the Minnesota game was first okay because I remember who they actively saying that's where we won our first Super Bowl yeah football.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah the Bills got whooped by Miami. Miami is such a weird team they always are they're just so random yeah like maybe we'll win maybe we'll just totally suck maybe we'll just tank the entire season it's hard to say or not yeah whatever whatever's happening today is yeah I like the Bills but I feel like they're starting to yeah they're on the downside they missed their chance yeah I that that Bill's I feel bad if you're Bill's mafia I feel bad for you I really do I understand what it's like to want that so bad and get so close. But let me tell you Bill's mafia hold on to it because after you get your first one the pressure's off yeah it's a little less exciting the second time around it is it is like there would have been nothing to keep me from that parade that first time. Right? The second one I was like I'm good. Yeah been there done that I mean maybe because it was a blowout that's why and maybe because it was only a few years later yeah but I'm telling you that first one I was down on my knees crying at the end of it.
SPEAKER_03:Yes the second one I was like yes go ahead and go to bed.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah we ran around our neighborhood my neighbor stripped down naked and ran around that first one we ran along with him yeah it was it was amazing.
SPEAKER_03:I just feel like you never get that feeling back again. So Bill's mafia if you do get it yeah savor that because you'll never get that again.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah you'll never I I don't understand Patriots fans like they just win all the time like do they how is that even fun yeah how is it even fun yeah I would imagine it you're I I wonder because you know in Philadelphia any of the Philly sports if we're playing well we are selling out stadiums like every single week no matter what um and that's across the board with any of the sports in Philly. Yeah I wonder if um New England saw a drop in attendance once it just was like uh yeah I don't know it's I don't know I just don't know how you can I don't know plus the older I get the the more appealing sitting on my nice couch.
SPEAKER_03:No I'm kidding in my bathroom and my family not spending a fortune not driving three hours now at one o'clock in the morning so much I did that I do not want to do it again. Mm-hmm every time my mom bugs me she's like we should go to a game and I'm like so far.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah I've been to a handful of games in the past maybe I'd say 10 years. Yeah and it's always because somebody had a free ticket or something like I certainly have not paid ticket prices for not feeling ridiculous. Yeah but somebody who has season tickets had an extra one somebody couldn't go something like that.
SPEAKER_03:But yeah I just I don't I don't it's too cold.
SPEAKER_02:It is and I've it I love the feel and the excitement of being there.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah but I have felt it like enough like not that I wouldn't feel it again if I went but yeah I mean there is definitely I mean it's amazing when they play the Rocky anthem and I and we've been we were at in the vet we've seen games in the in the vet and that is an experience.
SPEAKER_02:Behind the goalposts that was like really good seats yeah yeah it kind of sucked when it was at the other end but you had a tape 'em there yeah but when the action was right in front of you there was nothing like that it was exciting it was a special kind of excitement everybody wants the 50 yard line but what's happening on the 50 yard line I know you still can't see you can't see either way yeah it doesn't make any sense whatever I don't know so football yeah yeah that um and I was gonna text you this but then I was gonna I decided to save it for this but did you know I think it's is it Netflix or is it Peacock but there's a new documentary on Aileen did you that made me sad I come and go with her it's tough to tell what's real and what's fantasy with her and and legitimately like she's not faking anything I just don't she knows what's real and what's not yeah but she did definitely she was a um well she was a woman killing men so they were quick to be like put that bitch in jail like no chance for you. Yeah but I think I do legit think she was being raped a lot and she finally got sick of being raped and just started killing like I said before that first one's a mistake and then once you get it done once that first one happens and you're a psychopath or whatever then it's just it's like oh especially she said she had been raped like 30 times in high school or some crap she was getting raped and everything so having to just go through that and feel so um helpless and then actually having the power after you killed that first one. Yeah because it sounded like the first one was legit like she really was fighting for her life at that point. She was and then and then it just became fun.
SPEAKER_03:That's what happens right the first and when you're a psychopath like normal people if I were to kill somebody I shouldn't say I because I don't know how I could go. That's me. Right. So if you were to kill somebody after you did it you would feel bad you would feel guilt no matter what the circumstances was because you took the life of a human being yes so that's what normal people feel like like you had to do it to save your own self and that's completely acceptable.
SPEAKER_02:But people probably like me because I'm gonna assume I'm a psychopath it's a fair assumption it would cause like a change like I did it once and then I'd be like I'm I can lay my head down on a pillow anytime and just yeah so yeah just try not to kill anybody the first time and I think psychopaths have a lot of trouble feeling things because they don't feel normal things so you need that escalation of yeah something really big to happen. The thrill yeah yeah so yeah I think a lot plays into it but I do think I don't I don't I just don't think it's necessarily her fault so much.
SPEAKER_03:Well and that's the thing of it too like when you break down on these serial killers I mean they've all had horrible horrible horrible existences.
SPEAKER_02:But a lot of people have had horrible existences and they don't kill people.
SPEAKER_03:And that's where that is why they need to be studied further.
SPEAKER_02:Yes and why you know the behavioral science became a thing because you need to be able to find out well what happened to them to make them go off on a crazy well it's definitely a perfect combination I think of nature versus nurture which was always a conundrum for me in college because I took a lot of psychology classes because that's what my degree's in um so of course it comes up in every single class. Right and my argument always fell more on the side of nature no nurture um I think that the way you're brought up can has a much bigger effect on you than what you're born with.
SPEAKER_03:Right. And I think the problem with that is because you can't ever have a control in that situation because like even if you have a sim a sibling even if it's a twin the very different things can happen all at one time. So my sister and I were raised by the exact same two people but she came five years later so she didn't live in a van. Right. You know she lived in a house her whole life we we moved like twice after she was born.
SPEAKER_02:Right and right after my mom right after my sister was born my parents got divorced so that was just different right there and then there were just circumstances differences in how we were raised because I was the oldest she was the youngest um and I took that burden of the eldest daughter as Taylor Swift would say I knew we were gonna throw you know I have to um but yeah it really I mean no matter what the case I I was just so sad for her. Yeah it is sad. Yeah it is sad. It was just a shit shit life. Yeah so um yeah a bunch of things had birthdays this week or anniversaries um let's see here we got 56 years ago this week Sesame Street premiered oh yeah November 10th yesterday uh 1969 um Transylvania 65000 which is one of my all-time favorite movies turned 40 this week right Monopoly turned 90 this week yeah there was another one too I don't have it written down but anyway I you know what I want the other night I was I knew I was gonna fall asleep on the couch so I didn't want to get into anything so I put on back to the future which I have not seen in a super long time. Right um I only got about halfway through it before I was falling asleep and went to bed but something that was funny that reminded me two things very 80s in that movie um they had cow can dog food remember cow can dog food to that one was a big deal and then um every phone number back then started with five five five they don't do that anymore um they do on TikTok do they usually it's five five five five five five five they'll do the all the fives must be a Gen X person maybe TikToks I actually never really paid attention but yeah yeah um let's see other than that I have nothing I get up I go to work I come home I play with my bird pretty much the extent of my of my day what did I do this weekend went to a community fair oh it was pretty cool though I went to the YMCA table and I was talking to this very nice gentleman and he um was talking about this pre-diabetes program they have and I'm just like all right like I always let them do their spiel but um I told him I had never been diagnosed with any like he's like do you know what your numbers are and I said no but I get my blood work done every year and there's never ever any talk of that so I know it's good. So he was like oh that's perfect we have this new program but if you do this program of course they're trying to teach you how to avoid getting diabetes but you get a four month membership to the wife. Oh wow yeah that's a good deal I was like maybe that'll especially even if I only use the four months right now in the winter because I'm very active when it's warm outside because I'm out in the yard and doing stuff. So even if I just use my four year free or four month free membership.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah they called me yesterday I didn't call them back yet so we'll see how far that goes but leave me alone why yeah I think that was probably my uh my excitement for the weekend I had no excitement at all yeah it's all good I was pretty lazy besides that a lot of sitting this weekend yeah but it's that time of year like it's the time I'm I think we talked about this last week but it's the time of year that Christmas stuff is rolling in for the post office so every day is a struggle. So I already hate tomorrow because oddly enough weirdly enough strangely enough the day after Veterans Day busiest day of the year in the post office. I have no idea why it's always awful and when I left yesterday it was already like a shit show horror show for tomorrow and then today when I was there I looked and it has gotten even worse so tomorrow is gonna just be yeah I might have to like bring my headlamp out tomorrow might be an after dark situation. Yeah it already sucks so yeah I don't know why but whatever okay so all right let's get to the let's do it let's do it let's you can do it let's fuck around and find out about uh the rock and roll hall of aim oh because they had the induction ceremony this week I did a lot of a lot of my faves yeah Cindy Lopper outcast outcast saw and papa good stuff so um so really what I'm I what I really concentrated on here and I put I did put kind of fun facts in at the end but I'm gonna give you like a brief I don't know how brief but um I'm gonna give you a little what it what on uh the Hall of Fame and then mostly I'm just gonna concentrate on the ladies because we're my ladies at that's what we're here for.
SPEAKER_02:That's right.
SPEAKER_03:We don't got no men's rule girl's true rule boys true. So the rock and roll hall of fame is more than a museum. It's a battleground memory a shrine to rebellion and a mirror reflecting the messy glorious evolution of popular music founded in 1983 and physically established in Cleveland Ohio in 1995 the hall was conceived as a way to honor the artists producers and cultural figures who shaped rock and roll it was only just founded in 1983 I know I thought the scene that's crazy I know although I guess rock and roll never came around to like the 50s yeah but still like 83 it took you that long to get a rock and roll hall of fame. Yeah that's crazy yeah um from the beginning it's been a site of tension between genre and influence between gatekeepers and fans and between legacy and exclusion the whole founding was spearheaded by Ahmed Erdogan sure co-founder of Atlantic Records alongside a committee of in industry insiders Cleveland won the bid to host the museum by invoking its deep ties to rock history DJ Alan Freed coined the term rock and roll and the city hosted the first major rock concert the Moondog Coronation Ball architect I am Pie designed the building which now stands as a glass pyramid on the shore of Lake Erie. And can I just say for a second that I am Pie apparently likes a glass pyramid because he designed part of the Louvre I was gonna say the Louvre that is what he did in the Louvre so he wanted people to know that was that building I do glass pyramids bitches inductions began in 1986 with inaugural honorees like Chuck Berry, Elvis Presley and Little Richard. Makes sense um influence innovation and longevity is the criteria but as the decades rolled on the metrics became increasingly subjective and increasingly controversial. Artists become eligible 25 years after their first commercial release a nominating committee selects candidates and ballots go out to historians critics and musicians but the process is opaque and the reason the results often spark outrage why did it take so long for Pat Benatar, Cindy Lopper or Warren Zeevan to get in and why are Iron Maiden and the Smiths still waiting You see he canceled all his shows oh he doesn't feel good I hate him I know you I'm the worst goff on the whole on earth because I can't I like the Smiths.
SPEAKER_02:Uh-huh I don't I don't hate his voice I just hate him as a human being yeah I get it um what was I gonna say oh yeah it's it's and it makes sense that it would be controversial because let's admit it musicians are snobs and they think their music's the best yeah and you got the people who know all the popular music and then you got the ones who wouldn't listen to a popular song if they had to and they know all the indie stuff or they love their genre the most so it does make sense that it it would be hard and I and I get that like I would definitely have my favorites but yeah I think it works the same way in like the football hall of fame like as far as who picks because I know the guy that does Dan Patrick the Dan Patrick show I think he has a vote.
SPEAKER_03:I think a lot of the like commentators have right votes so but anyway wait I just missed what happened okay so the 2025 class included Outcast, Soundgarden, the White Stripes, Salt and Peppa, and Cindy Lauper It was a diverse emotionally charged ceremony with Donald Glover inducting Outcast and Janelle Monet performing Hey Yeah. Uh Lauper's tribute highlighted her LGBTQ plus advocacy and enduring influence and did you see her? I watched it we watched it I I I saw clips of it I for some reason I never know these things are coming up and then I see it on social media after the fact and I'm like what the hell she stood in front of the rainbow uh true colors she sang true colors yes and she stood in front of the rainbow flag for a good probably 30 seconds with her arm up it was powerful yes is she LGBTQ I don't know that she is I don't know no and not that it matters but I don't know I well I love because I'm I I'm not at all but I'm very supportive right and I think that's I mean I don't know I don't know anything about her really so yeah I don't either come to think of it does anybody like is she she just like living out here living whatever I don't know much about Cindy. No I love her hair always loved her hair yes yes I have Cindy lobber hair I've always loved her makeup so I don't yeah and and she wore a makeup fan so I'm a huge fan of the fingerless gloves.
SPEAKER_02:Me too that's so funny just on the way down today because it's so cold outside I was like I got maybe some fingerless gloves. Yeah there's no point wearing gloves with fingers on them because you gotta take them off every time you need your hand crazy well and I have at work I have to use my fingers all the time.
SPEAKER_03:Right. So fingerless gloves make a lot of sense except fingertips get cold but yeah I've just always loved a fingerless gloves. Me too I love them. The lace ones that her and Madonna used to wear yeah that too shut your mouth okay um every year the snubless grows fan ray fans rage artists protest and the hall's credibility is questioned the hall's name rock and roll is both its brand and its burden what counts as rock is it a sound a spirit or cultural movement the hall has inducted rappers, pop stars country legends and disco icons uh Tupac Madonna Dolly and Jay-Z are all in so are Metallica ABBA and Runde MC I've never thought about it being called the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame versus the genres yeah that get in yeah it probably should have been just like the music hall of fame yeah but I guess the rock and roll hall of fame sounds better I don't know yeah yeah there's a lot of little sticking points there for people to argue about yeah just like no just why are you worrying just shut up just stop they earned it yeah some purists cry foul others argue that rock was always a hybrid born of blues gospel country and rebellion true not true true not wrong there the hall's expansion reflects music's evolution but also exposes its bias women black artists and genre defying acts have historically been underrepresented um underrepresented uh for us the hall is personal we grew up on mixtapes MTV and artists who didn't fit the mold watching our heroes get inducted sometimes posthumously is bittersweet um when outcast took the stage andre 3000 wept great things start in little rooms he said that line echoed through the ceremony a tribute to the DIY spirit of rock and the emotional power of recognition I did see that Andre 3000 is one of my favorites fault yeah the Hall of Fame is a living archive a cultural conversation a place where music history is debated and celebrated it's not perfect but it's a mirror and sometimes it reflects who we were who we are and who we're still fighting to be as long as music moves us the hall will remain relevant.
SPEAKER_02:All right before I forget this while we're talking about rock and roll yeah didn't you see this week it came out that um uh Paul Stanley and Gene Simmons's sons I did see that have created a band. I did see that it's funny because I looked at the picture I was like hmm I wonder which one is Gene Simmons on it only looks exactly like him. Yeah same hair doing everything.
SPEAKER_03:Oh no anyway when the hall inducted its first class in 1986 it was a boys club Chuck Berry Elvis Presley James Brown Ray Charles um but not a single woman not Sister Rosetta Tharp who taught Little Richard how to wail not Wanda Jackson who shredded her way through rockabilly before most men dared not even Janice Joplin who had already become a myth I mean in all fairness those five were made to be the first ones inducted not male or female has anything although Janice Joplin I would argue maybe she would have deserved to be one of those but yeah yeah yeah well in this one it wasn't until 1987 that Aretha Franklin broke the barrier.
SPEAKER_02:The Queen of Soul became the first woman inducted and she did it with a voice that could part oceans but it would take years decades for the hall to even begin to catch up yeah she her voice like God's sakes in such an unsuspecting like if you just met her on the street you'd never think that she could belt it out like that. Speaking of which while I'm thinking of this too I knew that I had a lot of things I saw this week. Did you see that Miss I think Miss World in Chili no that one she's a stunningly beautiful beauty queen looking lady do you know what her talent was she can sing death metal oh and she stood up there and sang like roaring the shit out of her mouth you have got to look it up sometime it's because it it's amazing and she won. It was I mean seeing that voice come out of her and she looked mean and mad I was like dang girl get it helped you discover you have that talent like were you just like screaming one day and you're like huh that sounded like death metal start a band um so let's talk about the women who made it in and why their presence matters Tina Turner inducted solo in 2021 was more than a survivor she was a phoenix her voice her legs her fire she redefined what it meant to come back stronger.
SPEAKER_03:And I think it's very unfortunate that it took that long I mean she was within in with Ike and Ike but I mean didn't she do way more on her own than she ever did with him?
SPEAKER_02:Way way more and he doesn't deserve any credit anywhere because she's just been like the side credit leader so screw him.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah that do you know um I heard this whether it's true or not but I like to make up shit yeah sure you can Google it if you want to find out if it's real or if it's real or not. But um the rumor on the street is is that Tina has still well I don't know if it's still because the guy might be dead but the guy that gave her that hotel room that night that Ike beat the shit out of her and she left she still has uh contact with and still either spends Christmas with him or gives him Christmas gifts or whatever. But she still I don't know she still does because well she doesn't because she's dead right is she?
SPEAKER_02:I believe that I can I you know what it we're at an age where I can't keep track. Yeah we should probably check that. Sometimes I do hear that someone's passed and I'm like, they were still alive.
SPEAKER_03:I know it feels awful. People can do that all the time. I'm like, wait, didn't they die already? Oh, they're still alive. Man, I'm gonna feel like she's dead. I was right. 2023, she died. So just two years ago. Yeah. I don't know. You know what? We're in some kind of weird time. We really are.
SPEAKER_02:Ever since COVID, really.
SPEAKER_03:That's been a it's a it's a we all I think we all died in COVID and we're in some kind of weird timeline. I shift.
SPEAKER_02:I really wonder what like the the plagues were like back in the day when you didn't even know it was happening to other people. As far as you knew, just everybody was dead except for like five of you.
SPEAKER_03:I know. Imagine like the plague. Crazy. Yeah. Stevie Nicks became the first woman inducted twice, once with Fleetwood Mac, and again as a solo artist. Um her witchy mystique and poetic grit made her a Gen X icon. Love some Stevie Nicks.
SPEAKER_02:I am going to pull a heather here and let y'all know I do not like Stevie Nicks. I just don't like her voice. You don't have to like her. Yeah. I it just it's not she is still alive though. I I do know that. And uh yeah, Fleetwood Mac never appealed to maybe my parents never well, your parents definitely would have listened to that, and my parents did not. My dad was rock and roll, my mom is pretty much like CCR, a lot of rock and roll there too.
SPEAKER_03:The one song that just is like is my favorite.
SPEAKER_02:I will say they probably have a song or two that want to hear it. I'm like, oh yeah, I do like this song.
SPEAKER_03:I'm trying to find the one.
SPEAKER_02:But like Landslide, shoot me now. Like, I'm so but that's fault.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, the lyrics to um you'll never escape the voice of the woman that sounds the sound of the voice of the woman who loved you.
SPEAKER_02:I don't know, she just I yeah, that was that was savage. Um a lot of like relationships and breakups and stuff going on within that group, I feel like. Yeah. And um it it was pretty savage her making Lindsay Buckingham sing some lyrics that were about him. Yeah. Um, but yeah, just the voice and the music just isn't my thing. But although I will say Florence and the Machine has a new album out. I may have mentioned it last week. It's so good. Like if you haven't listened yet, go listen.
SPEAKER_03:I didn't listen because I have to I have I do have to admit something to you. Okay. Had Taylor Swift stuck in my head for the last week or so. One specific song, and I don't actually know all the words, so it's only partially stuck in my head, and I did have to listen to it like three times last night to get it out, and it's not even a song that you are gonna even imagine that it is.
SPEAKER_02:It's not off the new album?
SPEAKER_03:It is off the new album.
SPEAKER_02:Oh. Which one is it?
SPEAKER_03:What is it called?
SPEAKER_02:Opalite. No, fate of Ophelia, Wood, no, honey, no, life of a showgirl, actually romantic, actually romantic. It's a good thing. That's it's so fucking good. It's such a great thing.
SPEAKER_03:Like, yeah, it's a great, it's a good song.
SPEAKER_02:And I listened to that one a few times before. I was like, wait, she's not singing about a dude. Because what was bothering me with it, I was like, what guy could she possibly be singing about? Like she has Travis now, she doesn't give a shit about any of her exes anymore. Um, but then the line where she says, You love me No Man Could Ever Love Me Like You Do. I was like, Oh, it's a chick. So that's when I go because I like to listen to her songs first and try to figure out what she's singing about before I go and look it up. So um, yeah, that was a really great dig. So yeah, what I did on the way down here was I listened to Life of a Showgirl first, and then I listened to Points in the Machine after.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, back to we'll get away from Taylor for a minute. But yeah, that song has been haunting me.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Oh, she didn't get nominated for a Grammy either, and everybody's up in arms. I think we've just established she's the best, so let's give somebody else a chance. Like if she gets nominated every year.
SPEAKER_03:So that album actually it's some of the songs. I I haven't listened to all of them, but um has grown on me. I didn't care for it at first. I was like, well, it's not my thing, and but but that song has grown on me. Um the ones that they play all the time that have grown on me, but that song particular, I like I I like I like the beep. I like everything I like the days. She's really getting dirty.
SPEAKER_02:I think you're vicious, yeah, but it sounds like you're flirting with me.
SPEAKER_03:She's getting a little Taylor's getting dirty.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I love it. Yeah. Carol King, also a double inductee, wrote the soundtrack of the 60s and then sang her own truth in the 70s. Tapestry wasn't just an album, it was a revolution in vulnerability. Tapestry is such a great name for an album. Yeah. Carol King, I I love it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Patty Smith brought punk to poetry. Joan Jett made leather and eyeliner of Out of Cry, and Debbie Harry blurred the lines between punk pop and performance art. Joan Jett's my number one. I fucking love Joan Jett. I I would Yeah. Yeah. And then there's Madonna. And in 2008, she didn't just push boundaries, she raised them. Sexuality, religion, gender, um, nothing was off limits. She made controversy her canvas.
SPEAKER_02:That was the great thing about Madonna was it she did all that, but it felt real. Like she was like, fuck y'all. This is me. This is what I believe. This is what I'm into. I'm just gonna put it all out there for the world to see. It didn't feel like she was trying to like grab attention. She was just being her, I think.
SPEAKER_03:I think a lot of what happens is especially with people like Madonna. I know I'll use Lady Gaga. I know they get put in the same sentence a lot, but right. Um I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna get a lot of hate for this one. I think maybe. Lady Gaga is way more talented than Madonna.
SPEAKER_02:Oh. Hands down. Lady Gaga is more talented than 99.9% of the people to ever read. Bitch's voice is I'm and the way she dances and moves.
SPEAKER_03:Just fucking amazing. Like endlessly. Madonna had Madonna, I just say Madonna had most of it, but she didn't have that voice. She didn't have, I mean, it was fine, but it's not, it's not gonna carry a room. It's Madonna. She did Poppy, you know, whatever. But goddamn Lady Gaga. She's definitely going into the Hall of Fame first ballot. Oh, yeah, for sure. But let's take a moment to listen to Nicole talk about the what year was it? 1981? 1984. So hit that music.
SPEAKER_00:Because I repeat your life. We're looking through her teenage life.
SPEAKER_02:Alright, so um, yeah, last week um was April 2nd. Yeah. I was pretty consistent here. I'm pretty sure this is gonna fall off after like a week or two because I've never been diligent. And I'm trying not to look ahead because I want to enjoy this as much as like sharing it does. Um I did read this before I came down, so that we're now on Tuesday, April 3rd, uh, 1984. I did put 84 with some lines under it at the top, just in case I forgot from the page before. Right. All right, so um today I had band in school and I sat by Daphne. Daphne, the BFF. And I had recess with her. Um good news. Another substitute. We had a substitute for Mrs. Bailey that day. Um when I got home, I made a box for my diary, and no one can get into it. Exclamation point.
SPEAKER_03:No one.
SPEAKER_02:No, it was probably a shoebox. And I put do not open on it. That will do it. Then, here's the good 80s part.
unknown:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:I watched the A-Team. Now we're talking A-Team in real life. Yep. Like it was probably first air edition of the episode. And I had a snack.
SPEAKER_03:Of course. You have to have a snack while watching the A Team. And I went to bed. Wow.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah. Oh, but that's not all. Today I got my report card and my grades were a C in reading, a B in language arts, a C in social studies, a B in science, a B in math, a B in band, and an A in gym.
SPEAKER_03:Nice. Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_02:I used to think I only got C's in science, but that must have not been until later.
SPEAKER_03:But I'm coming to find out. That's not true.
SPEAKER_02:I was surprised by the C in reading and uh social studies. Although I was never a real history fan.
SPEAKER_03:Maybe you're just too fucking busy playing around with Daphne. She ever think of that? Probably. I was probably writing her notes. See, I had all A's and B's because I didn't have friends to fuck around with.
SPEAKER_02:It's Daphne's fault if my grades were so bad.
SPEAKER_03:So Daphne, if you're out there.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Well, she is. Wait till I see her. Let her have it. I want I want her to listen. We need to, you need to send her a message and tell her to listen.
SPEAKER_02:I should. So that's that this week in um Nicole's 1984 diary. I'm gonna be so sad when this diary runs out. I am too.
SPEAKER_03:We're gonna have to get you people to send in your diaries so that we can we can read your diaries.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, I love that idea.
SPEAKER_03:Because I don't have I know I didn't have one. Like I probably started one a hundred million times and then I just never got past like day two.
SPEAKER_02:Well, I probably only did this one because Daphne bought it for me.
SPEAKER_03:Again, I didn't have friends, so I would have had to bought my own. Okay. Um so the tide is turning. The past decade has seen some more women inducted than ever before. The ceremonies are more inclusive, more emotional, and more electric. In 2025, Cindy Lopper stood on a stage and said, I stand on the shoulders of the women who come before me, and my shoulders are broad enough to have the women who come after me stand on mine.
SPEAKER_02:I was gonna say, that's a lot of women that came after her.
SPEAKER_03:Um still flawed, still political, still catching up, but every time a woman walks across that stage, it gets a little better, a little louder, a little more honest. Um, rock and roll was never just about guitars, it's about guts, and no one has more guts than the women who refuse to be background singers in their own story. Um, so some these are a little bit of funny facts. Okay. That's mostly I just have like a list of things here. Um not really specific to women, but just okay. So Eric Clapton is the only person inducted three times. Once as a solo artist, and again with both cream and the yardbirds.
SPEAKER_04:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:Uh the building is shaped like a record player. Uh I already told you it was designed by architect I am Pai. Um the aforementioned glass pyramid sits atop a circular plaza that represents a vinyl record when viewed from above. Alan Freed's ashes were once on display, the DJ who coined the term rock and roll. Um, he had his ashes housed in the museum from 2002 to 2014. Um there is a charred piece of Otis Redding's plane on display, a haunting artifact from the 1967 crash that took his life. Um the hall had a short-lived New York City annex. Opened in 2008, the Rock Hall Annex in Manhattan featured exhibits on Lennon, Elvis, and Springsteen, but closed after just one year due to low attendance and high ticket price.
SPEAKER_02:Because it was really just a hard rock cafe with no food?
SPEAKER_03:Probably. I mean, isn't that what every hard rock cafe is? Exactly. It's just a moving rock and roll hall of fame.
SPEAKER_02:Exactly.
SPEAKER_03:With food.
SPEAKER_02:Man, they do mediocre chocolate shakes, though. I have never been I I've not been to a hard rock in a very long time, but since I was a kid.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, I guess I'm not thinking of a hard rock. I think I'm thinking one of those other ones. And it's Hollywood. Yeah, that came out at the same time that just was all well.
SPEAKER_02:Hard rock is, yeah. It's all memorable.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, no, but I was thinking like the ones that like popped up there and then have just since disappeared. Like the hard rock's still there.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have a really big collection of hard rock guitar pins that I started collecting when I was a kid. Um my most recent one I got was in uh I think Niagara Falls a couple years ago. But I went a very long span where I didn't go to Hard Rocks and get one. But I have some really old ones.
SPEAKER_03:I bet they're I bet they're worth something. You should look that up.
unknown:Google, your friend.
SPEAKER_03:Um, the first major exhibit was called I Want to Take You Higher, launched in 1997. It focused on the psychedelic era and featured memory memorabilia from Janice Joplin, Jefferson Airplane, and more.
SPEAKER_02:I was never a big Jefferson Airplane fan either.
SPEAKER_03:Not a big Jefferson Airplane fan. Um many items are on loan from Elvis Presley's jumpsuit jumpsuit to handwritten lyrics by Joni Mitchell. Much of the museum's collection is borrowed from artists or estates. Uh Japan was set to get its own rock hall. A satellite museum was planned for Tokyo ahead of the 2020 Olympics, expanding the halls at global reach. But they just built a hard rock instead. Didn't say why, but I'm assuming that's it. Uh Cleveland was the obvious choice. Cities like New York and San Francisco were in the running, but Cleveland won the bid thanks to its rock history and a$65 million fundraising campaign.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and New York and San Francisco have enough. Like San Francisco, I've been there, it has a lot.
SPEAKER_03:Well, first of all, all the Hall of Fames in Ohio, so why would you not put Oh, true that too. I didn't even think about that. Yeah. Football and baseball are both in in Ohio. Yeah. Canton.
SPEAKER_02:San Francisco's an extremely expensive city and very, very dirty. Um huge homeless problem.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. I've never been to San Francisco.
SPEAKER_02:Very big, like mental health homeless.
SPEAKER_03:You have to ride over that bridge, which I don't think I can do.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, I never rode the bridge. No. I went down I could fly in, right? Yeah. And then I went down and I was like that ground view you get of it up, that's that's where we were standing. But um but besides being extremely expensive and having a bad homeless problem. It's an amazing city. Oh my god. I've heard that is amazing.
SPEAKER_03:I have been to only I've only been to California a little bit, like one. I've only been to Death Valley. I've never been to like LA or any of that. I have zero interest in going to LA.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that was the only place time I've been to California. I would love to see San Diego because I've heard it's beautiful. I want to see the redwoods. Oh yeah, for sure. A Napa. All right. Well, when we get rich on this podcast.
SPEAKER_03:You people need to step it up because we have a lot of things we want to do. We have a lot of things we want to buy.
SPEAKER_02:And you're really not helping us out at all. Just kidding. Yeah, we are just kidding. We appreciate you all. And we know we're never gonna get rich off of this, but it's fun to fantasize.
SPEAKER_03:We're just playing around here. The hall has inducted over 400 artists, including performers, producers, and early influencers across genres from uh Chuck Barry to Missy Elliott. Janet Jackson used her 2019 induction speech to call out the hall's gender gap, saying induct more women.
SPEAKER_02:I love Janet Jackson so much. Like I always did, and I oh, I remember I found some classic MTV videos on um on my YouTube and uh man, they were putting out some bangers. I was just I know we we found too. Like, yeah, and watching the video, it was just crazy. Yeah, probably. But um, yeah, Janet Jackson, she was by far I would say she was more talented than Michael Jackson, but I love her so so much. I love her, but I don't know. And she's a reason that I want to love Justin Timberlake, but he's made so many dumb mistakes, and everybody swears that her decline is from him with the wardrobe malfunction. And there's also conspiracy theories that it was intentional for attention.
SPEAKER_03:I think Justin is a better actor than anything.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I think music gets him in trouble.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Because when he was on his latest tour was when he got the DUI and he didn't look good. Um, but when he's been acting, he's been okay. But his wife's an amazing um show producer. I don't know his wife. Jessica Beale. Oh.
unknown:Hold on a second. Hold on.
SPEAKER_03:So uh next we have Whitney Houston was inducted in 2020, and her hologram tour launched the same year, making her the first Hall of Famer to tour posthumously via hologram.
SPEAKER_02:I'm glad that hologram thing has seemed to kind of go away. Like they use it in commercials and stuff now, but that was some dumb ass shit. That was dumb.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Um, the Go Go's inducted in 2021 are still the only all-female band who wrote their own songs and played their own instruments to top the Billboard album chart. I did what? Really? Wow. I mean, every all the other women didn't write their own music. Yeah, I'm trying to think through it, or they didn't play an instrument. Right.
SPEAKER_02:Wow.
SPEAKER_03:I'll get in in a minute. I'll get into all the women. Yeah. Uh Salt and Peppa, these are just like some. Salt and Peppa inducted in well, because um a lot of them, I was looking up all the women that were in them, and a lot of them because I guess it happened so not so long ago, but um, there wasn't as much fanfare as there is now. So a lot of them, it's like hit or miss finding any information on it.
SPEAKER_02:And a lot of when the girl band started, music was becoming like electronic and synthesized. Yeah. So it was less of a Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Uh Salt and Peppa inducted in 2025. We're the first female rap group to enter the hall, joined by DJ Spinderella, the first female DJ in inducted.
SPEAKER_02:They were the first female rap group. Yep.
SPEAKER_03:Group. Missy got in first, though.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I knew that. No, no offense to Missy, but I don't know why Salt and Pepper didn't get in before Missy.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I want to say that like Rolling Stone came out with their top 100 this year, like a month or two ago, and Missy was like number one. Like for some re I love Missy, don't get me wrong, but I just feel like you know she's yeah, I don't understand where all this excessive hype.
SPEAKER_03:I don't know. And I'll tell you who else I'm sad about not being in there. The Queen. Latifah? Yeah, I love her. But I guess maybe more she I don't know.
SPEAKER_02:I'm not gonna get into the not being there.
SPEAKER_03:I'm not gonna get into the politics of Queen Latifa. Maybe she m more acting than music there for a while.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, but some of her music because LL's in there.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
unknown:Yeah. Okay.
SPEAKER_02:LL deserves to be in the everywhere. LL should be everywhere all the time. All the time with no shirt on. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. Not sorry.
unknown:No.
SPEAKER_03:Um Debbie Harry once said she didn't even know why they were being inducted until a fan told her.
unknown:Oh no.
SPEAKER_03:She did. She once said she didn't even know they were, not why. They know they were being inducted until a fan told her. The band famously had an onstage spat during the their 2006 induction, of which former members could perform. For Blondie.
SPEAKER_02:That's pretty messed up. But that the Hall of Fame doesn't reach out and let you know. Apparently not.
SPEAKER_03:Or did they just not check out? I guess not in 2006. That's why I say like it's hard to find anything. Like, I guess nowadays it's so big, they make such a big spectacle out of it. True, true. Everything's a big spectacle now. Joan Jett brought Miley Cyrus on stage to perform Crimson and Clover during her 2015 induction. Um Kate Bush inducted in 2023, didn't attend the ceremony. Uh, true to her famously reclusive nature. Did she have a lot of famous? I don't I don't know much about her.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I don't either, and that's why I say I feel like that was really very um pop culture-y.
SPEAKER_03:Maybe I I I'm not familiar with her enough to know anything about her. Okay. She might have a whole lot of stuff I don't know about.
SPEAKER_02:Well, I'm sure she has stuff, but that one song was on Stranger Things and she blew up. Yes.
SPEAKER_03:Again.
unknown:Yes.
SPEAKER_03:Salt and Peppa were inducted by Missy Elliott, who called them the bricklayers of hip-hop and credited them for paving the way for her own career. And she is as beautiful as ever.
SPEAKER_02:I was such a huge salt and pepper fan. My god, I choreographed more dances to their songs. Yeah. I really did miss my calling.
SPEAKER_03:Um, Cindy Lopper was inducted by Chapel Roan um with support from Ray and Avril Levine, who joined her on stage for an all-female performance of Girls Just Want to Have Fun. And can I just tell you that I almost did not recognize Avril Levine, especially until she said Avril, and I was like, I saw Avril Levine at Firefly maybe two or three years ago, the last year that they had it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I didn't. If she wouldn't have had Avril Levine outfits on, I wouldn't have known her.
SPEAKER_03:I would not have known her if Helder.
SPEAKER_02:It was kind of an obnoxious show too, because I do like her and and I like her voice, but at the time she was engaged to a bandmate or some other singer or something, and they were performing together. Uh-huh. And it was so lame and dumb. And then they broke up shortly thereafter, so it was kind of ruined by them being caught in the moment. But yeah, I can still say I saw her.
unknown:Yep.
SPEAKER_03:Um, so now I'm gonna just go through and tell you about the ladies and who they were inducted by because I thought that was pretty interesting. Okay, I'm excited. Uh Stevie Nicks was inducted by Harry Stiles.
SPEAKER_02:Oh.
SPEAKER_03:Tina Turner. That's a good choice. Yep. Tina Turner was inducted by Angela Bassett. Oh. Carol King was inducted by um Miss Taylor Swift.
SPEAKER_02:Oh.
SPEAKER_03:Whitney was inducted by Alicia Keys. Oh, that's a good one. Janet was inducted by Janelle Monet.
SPEAKER_02:Never been a big Jamel toy.
SPEAKER_03:Here's an odd one. Aretha Franklin was inducted by Keith Richards.
unknown:Yep.
SPEAKER_03:Laverne Baker was inducted by Shaka Khan. Ruth Brown was inducted by Bonnie Raitt. Janice Joplin was inducted by Melissa Etheridge.
SPEAKER_02:Nice.
SPEAKER_03:Martha and the Vandelas were inducted by Fred Schneider and Kate Pearson. Who? The B52s.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Joni Mitchell was inducted by Sean Colvin. Dusty Springfield was inducted by Elton John. Bonnie Raitt again. Melissa Etheridge. Brenda Lee was inducted by Jewel.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, I love Jewel back in the early 90s.
SPEAKER_03:Um, this here is um, so uh this is gonna this made my little heart happy. Blondie was inducted by uh Shirley Manson. I fucking love her. Me too. That's as just alternative as it gets right there. For real. Patty Smith was inducted by Zach Della Roca.
SPEAKER_04:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:Madonna. Here's a weird one too. Was inducted by Justin Timberlake. I I don't know why. Weird combo. That's almost insulting. It's a little weird. It's it's but they pick who they want. Do they? Yeah. I'm pretty sure that maybe not then, but I know they do now.
unknown:Huh.
SPEAKER_03:Darlene Love was inducted by Bet Medler. Ooh. Donna Summer was inducted by Kelly Rowan.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. I like that.
SPEAKER_03:Joan Jett was inducted by Miley Cyrus. Joan Baez was inducted by Jackson Brown. Nina Simone was inducted by Mary J. Blige.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:I told you about Janet Jackson and Stevie Nicks. Uh Pat Benatar was inducted by Cheryl Crow.
SPEAKER_02:That's a good match. I was a huge Bat Benatar when I was like in elementary school. I love Pat Benatar. Like Love is a Battlefield.
SPEAKER_03:That video I wanted that outfit so fucking bad. I know. I think we've talked about that, but I think that's a good idea. That video was like everything. So good. Um Dolly Parton was inducted by Pink. And he didn't put it in here, but it was funny because Dolly tried to turn it down because she wasn't rock and rolling up. And then I remember that. That wasn't that long ago, right? Yeah. And then she went on to record a rock album after that.
SPEAKER_02:She did so that she could say that she belonged. I do remember that.
SPEAKER_03:There's no other like maybe Betty White. Her and Dolly Parton are like the two most amazing human beings ever put on the earth.
SPEAKER_02:I think the thing that makes Dolly Parton a little notch above is all of her humanitarian work. Yeah. That she does.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Those books. We get those books all the time. I know.
SPEAKER_02:I love that. I wish that would have been a thing when my kids were little.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Um, Carly Simon was inducted by Sarah Borellis. Kate Bush was inducted by Big Boy.
unknown:I don't know who that is.
SPEAKER_02:He's uh the other half of Outcast. Oh. It's Andre3000 and Big Boy.
unknown:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:I see. I shows you how much I know. Uh Cheryl Crow was um inducted by Laura Dern, which I thought was weird also.
SPEAKER_02:That is weird. She's not a musician. I know. Her mom just died this week too, by the way. Oh, really?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Missy Misdemeanor Elliot, because I like to say the whole thing, was inducted by the Queen, Queen Latifa. Uh Mary J was inducted by Dr. Drain Method Man.
SPEAKER_02:I love Mary J.
SPEAKER_03:Cher was inducted by Zendeha. Oh, I love Zendaya. Uh da da. I think that was it. Yeah. That's it. That was all. Okay. I see that I had another, but then I cut it off. So I don't know what I was going with that. Just fucking stopped writing, I guess. That's how we roll. Fuck that. I'm done. It's because I move shit around all the time. And okay. Yeah. Hi.
SPEAKER_02:That's why you have to go back and proofread.
SPEAKER_03:I know.
SPEAKER_02:I did. I thought. I know. I trust you. Plus, you know, by the time you get to the end, you're like, Yeah, that's good. That's good. That's fine.
SPEAKER_03:And then sometimes I scan too far and I see like, oh, that's the end there. Yeah. Whatever.
unknown:That's it.
SPEAKER_03:Good for me.
SPEAKER_02:We are the best shares of information.
SPEAKER_03:We're great. I don't know why you people listen. I know. It's because we're so fucking funny. We really are.
SPEAKER_02:Um, it that was amazing. And I thought of something that I forgot to say in the beginning. Okay. Um have you seen those photos of Mars that have been coming back? I have not. I'll have to show you after the show. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:It's been well, the last couple nights, uh, well, like last week sometime we had a chance to see the Aurora. Um, I didn't see it though. And it would have only been picked up on camera. Um, and then the other day, yesterday, day before, no, the day into the full moon, whatever day that was, Friday. Whatever day was the full moon, there's a bright star next to it. Um, I don't remember the name of it, but it is no longer alive. Yeah. So it's the last light.
SPEAKER_02:It's a little bit weird. It is really weird. Um, I also NASA recently released a photo of the side of the earth where it's basically all ocean, like any land you can't really see from that's nuts.
SPEAKER_03:That is just mind-blowing. That's that one part of the ocean, uh, Point Nemo is the furthest from land. You're even closer to land than in the space station than you are. Yeah. There. It is this crazy. Well, and that's where they that's where they um when they're bringing shit down, that's where they try and hit because there's so much water.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I don't know why I've been watching a lot of ocean stuff lately, but they also found what's it called, a giant shark. And they filmed it. Oh, I did see that. It's like 600 years old of the earth or surface of the water. Was that the one that's 600 years old? I think so. It's huge. I don't remember. I think it's the second largest creature on the planet right now. Because the blue whale is the biggest.
SPEAKER_03:Right, right. No, this one. The Greenland shark. It was a Greenland shark that I saw that's like 600 years old. That's crazy.
SPEAKER_02:Speaking of Greenland, which has nothing to do with this, but Iceland got their first mosquitoes uh a couple weeks ago. Aren't they lucky? They had never it was the only country left with no mosquitoes and a gardener, thank you, go uh, climate change. Uh found three in his garden. Wow. So yeah. There you have literally can't get away from him anymore.
SPEAKER_03:You can't. You know, I always said I was gonna move Somewhere that didn't have snakes. I think those places are running out of Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Running out of it's either getting too warm or it's melting away.
SPEAKER_03:So the other day, okay, I lived in the town of if you are not familiar with the state of Delaware, the town I live in is called Fenwick Island. Look it up on a map, it's pretty fucking cool. And it's very small. It is very small. Um it is right on the literal border of uh Maryland, and it is also part of the Mason-Dixon line. Um it's dividing the north from the south. It is. Um we have a lighthouse, it's lovely. Super annoying when I was a kid, but whatever. Anyhow, lived there pretty much my whole life. Um saw a raccoon. I know. Now, here's my thing about it. I know this is nobody cares, but I do. There's raccoons in between, like Fenwick and Bethany. I have seen raccoons dead on the road, but I've never seen one in town Rehoba. And at first I thought it was a cat, but then it was walking not like a cat, because obviously raccoons walk very differently than cats. But there's a cat that lives over there that has like a big bushy tail and it's gray, and it anyway. And I kept looking at it, I was like, is that a fucking raccoon? And I keep looking and it climbed up on the dumpster, and I was like, I'm pretty sure that's a fucking raccoon.
SPEAKER_02:Can you imagine if Rehoboth becomes invaded with raccoons?
SPEAKER_03:Well, I'm sure Rehoboth has them because well, I don't know about it anymore.
SPEAKER_02:But well, I mean, you never see one. I mean, maybe in the back neighborhoods, but I mean, like if they were running down the street. I see him dead, but that's the other Rehoboth Avenue. That would be weird. Walking down the boardwalk.
SPEAKER_03:We have a fox that lives behind that, and then we came across that fucker the other morning. It scared the shit out of me.
SPEAKER_02:They're scary, and when they scream, it's a hideously horrible sound. A terrible noise. It's it's sounds like someone is being murdered. It does, except it doesn't sound human.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it's just like, what is that? An alien? Like, what the fuck is happening? Foxes are freaky. They are. Um but so, and then suddenly we have like an inundation of squirrels, also, which so we don't have trees. True. There's short trees in between, but because of the wind, as today. So what are they eating? Well, I mean, there the one that's near me is eating the peanuts that I've allowed for us.
SPEAKER_02:Well, I mean, naturally, what is drawing them to because it is pretty much seed in nuts. And if you don't have any trees, then you don't have any.
SPEAKER_03:I don't know what it eats. I've seen two of them. They can't shove them in their jowls. No, I don't know what they eat. I don't know. I don't know anything about our I again. Well, I was probably 15 years old, 16 years old, before we don't have fireflies here either. I mean, here at my mom's house we do, but where I grew up, we don't have fireflies because we don't have trees. So I had not seen a lightning bug.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, I probably did rip the butts off of fireflies so much as a kid. It was awful. I feel so bad about it to this day, but it was so fast. It was like science back then. It was like, what they hit your windshield. Yeah, I just usually rip them right off and smear the glow on my fingers, like, ooh. Gross. It was gross and awful, but it was fascinating too.
SPEAKER_03:So yeah, my I saw a raccoon and I was I was I was just shocked by it. I text my sister immediately and she said it probably has rabies, and I was like, let's go inside, dog.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:So because a raccoon will rip the shit out of anything. Yeah, they are violent.
SPEAKER_02:They're horrible. They can people have them as pets, and I actually, when I was little, I remember people have them as pets because they would always crawl down your shirt. Like and I remember that as a kid. Yeah, but they're they're just too they're like having a tiger as a pet. Like they'll rip your face.
SPEAKER_03:They will fuck you up. They got them hands. I don't care for it. Yeah. My aunt and uncle had a skunk. Awesome pet. I wish I would get a skunk if they didn't stink so bad, because they do stink, even when you take even when you take the stink machine out, they still stink.
SPEAKER_02:I could totally see you owning a skunk.
SPEAKER_03:Oh god, they're so fun. They uh he they had actually had two snooze and um They're probably like big ferrets, huh?
SPEAKER_02:And you used to be a ferret fan. Oh, they they act just like a ferret. They do the is it still legal to own a ferret?
SPEAKER_03:Oh no, you can have them.
SPEAKER_02:You never see anybody with them anymore.
SPEAKER_03:They're at the pet stores. Yeah. They're not a good pet. They're they're a great pet, but they stink and they're a pain in the key.
SPEAKER_02:And they need a lot of exercise too.
SPEAKER_03:They do, but they are so much fun. Mine used to try and get my dog's ear all the time. I remember. Fucking love, I love a ferret. Anyway. Anyway. Um, so that's that. About that. I was gonna put um snubs in there, but I mean there's enough controversy. There's a lot of people that have. There's a lot.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, we you could probably do a hundred episodes on the whole whole final theme.
SPEAKER_03:Who should be in there and isn't. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:But it yeah, it was a great topic. This was a good class this year. I agree with everybody that got in this year. Definitely worth it, definitely deserved it. But yeah, I just wish I don't know, maybe next year if you think of it remind me. Okay. Because I feel like it always sneaks up on me and I I'm like, damn it, that was last night. The only ones that I can keep track of are like the Grammys and the Oscars, because I know they always happen in between the end of the playoffs and and um like February March the Super Bowl. Like I think they play the Grammys are then, yeah. In those few weeks there.
SPEAKER_03:The Oscars is after, it's like March.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. I know that there's an award season in there somewhere. So anything that falls throughout the rest of the year, I'd miss. Did you see ridiculousness, Gat Canton? I did. I meant to text you that and I totally forgot. I mean, not that there's not plenty of episodes to watch for the rest of it. I could probably start the beginning and never get through all of them.
SPEAKER_03:I don't think so. But it's ridiculous.
SPEAKER_02:It's sad it is. But it sounds like Rob Deardick was ready to be done.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, what the hell is that? I don't know. I mean, he is pretty old.
SPEAKER_02:He is, and he's got a wife and kids and just built a new house, and he's always on these business adventures. I've always had a super crush on him because you know I always love me a skater boy. Yeah. And he is funny, but yeah, it wasn't the same after um Chanel left anyway. So I didn't realize she left. Yeah, she retired a couple years ago to she had a baby and she wanted to pursue her her rap career, which I think she needs to give up at this point because I think she's close to 40. Did not know she was a rapper either.
SPEAKER_03:Not a big fan.
SPEAKER_02:I absolutely adore her as a person and on that show, but yeah, don't don't do yourself a favor and don't listen to her music. I wasn't. Yeah, no, it's that's a favor I it's not good. Yeah. Bless her little heart. I mean, I give her kudos for trying. It's not gonna be in the hall of fame.
SPEAKER_03:No. So thank you for listening.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, thank you.
SPEAKER_03:Um, you forgot to do all this at the beginning.
SPEAKER_02:I did, I just thought of that. Like, share, rate review. Damn it, nobody's gonna follow us now. God, we ruined it.
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