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Join Heather and Nicole as we discuss all things Gen-X with personal nostalgia, current events, and an advocacy for the rights of all humans. From music to movies to television and so much more, revisit the generational trauma we all experienced as we talk about it all. Take a break from today and travel back to the long hot summer days of the 80s and 90s. Come on slackers, fuck around and find out with us!
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The Real Mandela Effect
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A rumor sparks the mic and the conversation swerves—first through a tabloid-scented headline and a fresh round of Cobain speculation, then straight into sunlit confessionals from an all-inclusive in Punta Cana. We trade strawberry mojitos for social x-rays: the charm of perfect hospitality, the quiet grind of the staff who make it look easy, and the odd theater of “rich people problems” that bubble up around buffets and pool chairs. Even beachside, the world intrudes—politics at parties, tracking apps that start as jokes, and the uneasy truce between safety and freedom when a trinket seller shifts to whispered offers.
Then we plant our feet. Nelson Mandela’s story reframes everything: student organizer to political prisoner, the Rivonia Trial speech that declared a life’s purpose, 27 years behind bars, and the audacity to negotiate the end of apartheid without a civil war. We walk through the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, why facing harm in public mattered, and how policy—housing, education, a new constitution—attempted to turn ideals into daily life. Along the way, we debunk the “Mandela Effect” and talk about why memory needs evidence, why journalism matters, and why democracies erode when we outsource our thinking to outrage and algorithms.
What ties it all together is a Gen X heartbeat: curiosity, skepticism, and a refusal to pretend the small stuff doesn’t shape the big stuff. From resort etiquette to national healing, the lesson holds—attention is action. If you’ve been feeling whiplash between joy and dread, laughter and worry, you’re not alone; we’re right there with you, trying to make meaning without losing the thread. Hit play for travel tea, hard history, a few rants, and a clear nudge toward power that’s still in our hands: show up locally, vote, support an independent press, and keep talking to each other like neighbors. If this resonated, subscribe, share with a friend, and leave a review so more curious folks can find us.
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SPEAKER_04:Welcome to Like Whatever, a podcast for, by, and about Gen X. I'm Nicole, and this is my BFFF, Heather. Hello. So we join you today with breaking news. Breaking news. Um, firstly, the sad passing. Uh, we just read right before we came on the air that um James Vanderbeek.
SPEAKER_06:Dawson.
SPEAKER_04:48 years old.
SPEAKER_06:Man, I knew he was sick. He looked, he did not look good last time I saw him. Yeah. I mean, not that I hang out with James Vanderbeek too often, but I do. I did.
SPEAKER_04:I ain't more. But yeah, very sad to report. But Heather has the more mind-blowing idea.
SPEAKER_06:It's all over everywhere that that pa and I know it's been a thing for years that possibly Kurt Cobain was not, did not unalive himself. But there seems to be some evidence that maybe it was a homicide. Now, Seattle police is not saying they're going to reopen the investigation like I thought I had read, but apparently a new independent group has looked at it and said, Yeah, it might be a little bit different than what we thought.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I mean, the article you read me before we came on, there seems to be a lot of evidence here.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah. And I had heard of it, and then when I was look when I went to look it up, because I knew I'd read it just yesterday, I was like, I swear to it. And then it was like 15 different pages popped up, and I was like, okay, so it isn't just me.
SPEAKER_04:So the independent investigators have deemed it a homicide. Homicide. Um You said 10 times the uh heroin dosage of a high heroin found in the system, and that he died of with his organs. It looked more like an overdose death than uh than a shotgun to the so it sounds like the gun, the shot, was done by someone else, and the rest of it was staged. Yes. And there was more evidence. Um highly recommend to look it up. Yep. Uh I did just post an article on our page too. Um, it was by Vice, and I think they're kind of reputable. Well, yeah, but none of the major news outlets have put it out yet.
SPEAKER_06:So I know it's been a rumor for a long, long time.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, but there's conspiracy, there's also conspiracy theories that Elvis is still alive.
SPEAKER_06:And you what do you mean he's not?
SPEAKER_04:I mean, if he's still alive, that's pretty amazing. You know what?
SPEAKER_06:His diet and stuff, it would be a miracle. It would be. Gotta be in a hundred by now.
SPEAKER_04:So yeah. So that's the uh that's the breaking news we had for you today. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:I'm sure there's more that we just didn't because we got trapped on those two.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, yeah. I mean, who else knows what's happening out there in Gen X land today?
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, Nicole just got back yesterday from her.
SPEAKER_04:I did. I haven't even really seen any news. Um, I was in Punta Khan in the Dominican Republic. It was lovely.
SPEAKER_05:Lovely.
SPEAKER_04:Um, I did have the ID channel in English.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, sweet.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, yeah. Very important. Very, very important. Um, yeah, uh I stayed on an all-inclusive resort. Um and it was just like the White Lotus. It everybody's there and they are super wealthy. I'm not, but um you can pretend. Yeah, and there's there's bickering and there's gossiping, and there's everybody just sits in one place. The crazy thing to me is we were there for five days and four nights. Um, and we had a beautiful um room with an oceanside or yeah, an ocean view, um, as well as being able to look out of the private pool that's just for the people right there in your little area. Oh, nice. So it's the same like 20 people there every day. Um and uh lost my train of thought. I told her she's gonna have to edit a lot of this episode because my brain's still in the island. And um yeah, I traveled all day yesterday, so not quite all there today. I'm never quite all there, so I didn't go anywhere. Uh yeah, so that oh, okay, I remember where I was gone. And you get up in the morning and you go out on your patio and you watch the waves and you watch the sun come up and the palm trees sway. It is super windy there, by the way. Um we're used to that though. Yeah, but down on the resort, you don't even feel the wind. Like the way everything is built, it blocks it. But the pine trees are like aren't pine. Palm trees are like blowing over. We have pine trees. Yes, yes, we do. Yes. So um, so yeah, you just everybody just comes down to the pool all day and sits and drinks, and there's um staff that walk around and get your drinks for you, get you anything you want. I mean, you literally don't pay for anything, and you can have anything you want anytime you want it. It's so out of my element, so uncomfortable. Like staff loved us because we're normal people, yeah, and we didn't complain and we didn't demand or anything like that. But um, like the one couple from Canada, oh my god, she was the worst. So annoying. So annoying. She'd get really, really drunk, and then she'd just go around and sit and just talk everybody's ear off. Right. And then she'd move on to the next group, and all the staff didn't like her, and she complained about everything. She kept bitching about the K cup thing in her room. Well, you usually set a K cup down in this one, you had to turn it sideways and put it in. It took me a second. It was a cute little Nescafe machine. I want one for home and then a little espresso. I love the Nesca Yeah. I love the Nescafe pods or whatever. I asked my friend, do you think they'll notice if the Nescafe machine's missing?
SPEAKER_06:They're expensive too.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. So she's bitching that it didn't work. Okay, I get that she couldn't figure it out. It it took me a minute to figure it out. But then I told her how to do it. But she continued to bitch about it every day that it didn't work. Um, yeah, so that kind of thing going on. Like that's what the rich people do. Yeah, and it's so lame.
SPEAKER_06:Um rich people problems.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:But we had like a private walk down to the beach, which was right there. I mean uh pools everywhere, entertainment all over the place. Dinner was amazing. We went out. Um, it was my friend's birthday on Monday, and we went for French that night. It was delicious. I had the best lobster bisque I've ever had. It was uh brown, like brown gravy almost looking. But I mean, not that thick, but that color. Right. Oh man, it was good. Um, and they would have all of a sudden, like every 20 minutes, they blare music, and dancers would come in and dance around the restaurant, and it was really cool. It was it was a neat experience to get to see kind of how the other half live. Sure. But the the Canadian annoying people, they're there for three weeks. And then there was a German guy there with his girlfriend, and he told the obnoxious Canadian lady, Well, let me know if whatever you need, because I was here for seven months last year. For seven months you had a hotel room and you went and sat by the pool. I mean, rich people problems. But you can't find anything more entertaining.
SPEAKER_06:Like I mean, maybe that's what they find. Why do you not get bored as hell? I feel like I would not get I don't want to sit by a pool all day, but if you just stuck me in a hotel room for seven months by myself, I feel like I'd be okay. Feel like I'd be fine. And you just brought me food, yeah. I I'm okay with that.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I mean for your room service whenever you want it. The breakfast buffet. My god, it was incredible.
SPEAKER_06:We're totally gonna have to take a cruise then.
unknown:Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_06:I always wanted to go on one of those that's just a cruise to nowhere where they just run you out to sea and back, like you don't go anywhere. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_07:Okay.
SPEAKER_06:I wanna last time I was on a cruise, uh no, the time before that. I went down the the last cruise I was on was a Disney cruise, and I am a big Disney fan, but I would not do the cruise again. Kids. Um, yeah. They have adult areas, but it's a lie. Um but yeah, I love cruising. I love, I love, yeah, you can just and I don't ever even get off the boat anymore. I've been to the Bahamas so many times, I'm like, I don't even need to get off. Why why would you get off the boat? What would be the point?
SPEAKER_04:But it was just so crazy how kind and nice all the staff were, and all the men in the Dominican are beautiful. Oh my gosh. Our personal concierge, Jimmy. Oof, man, he was a very pretty man. It's always smelled so good.
SPEAKER_06:We should definitely go on a cruise.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06:You should put up a um uh a Patreon or something to send us on a cruise, guys. We'll do content from the cruise.
SPEAKER_04:Exactly. We'll share it with you. And so my new favorite drink from there, because wherever I go, I find a new favorite drink. So this time a strawberry mojito. Uh-huh. So it's um rum, uh strawberry liqueur, uh, lime juice, club soda, and mint. So they crush the mint and the lime in the bottom and mix, oh my gosh. It was amazing. That's not my yeah. And that was, I think the first thing that I text my youngest daughter, because she went to Punta Cana back in the fall. Um, so I sent her a picture of it, and she wrote back um strawberry mojito. I was like, yep. And she was like, try it frozen. I was like, I already did. Um so we talked for a day or two, and then she sends me a text and says, I'm so jealous. I just booked a trip for Puerto Rico in two weeks.
SPEAKER_06:I've always wanted to go to Puerto Rico. I do too. You know you don't need a passport, you know why?
SPEAKER_04:Because it's part of the United States of America, everyone. Um, well, those of you listening to this probably know that, but others do not. So yeah. And so I watched the Super Bowl with a whole big party over on a big screen. I didn't really watch much of the Super Bowl, but I was front rowing for the Bad Bunny show, and I just thought he just knocked it out of the park. I was dancing so hard. I loved it. Um, and I got a front row seat, I'm assuming, because people got offended and left when that part of it came up. They probably went to watch the the kid rock show somewhere. But there were uh and I know a lot some of them felt this way because one of my friends I went with, she was sitting in the pool talking with um someone, I forget where she was from. And um I uh so I swam up to chat with them. And they were talking about football and the Super Bowl, and we we said something about going to watch the Super Bowl that night, and she's like, oh no. And we were like, oh, you're not football fans. She's like, we used to be die hard. Oh, they're from Pittsburgh. We used to be die hard Pittsburgh fans, but with all the politics, I was like, okay, bye. So I turned around and swam away. It's like, nope, nope. I'm gonna see myself out of this conversation. Thanks.
SPEAKER_06:This seems to be an A-B conversation, so I'm gonna see my way out of them.
SPEAKER_04:But yeah, it was it was absolutely beautiful. Um yeah, and then one of the wilder parts, I'm down on the beach with my friends, and they were behind. I'm a fast walker, so I'd gotten like she is, that's terrible. Yeah, I know.
SPEAKER_06:I'm the worst.
SPEAKER_04:So I'd gotten way ahead of him. And a local approaches me, and he's got all these like wooden chotchkis hanging from him, and he's showing me this turtle, and he puts it in my hand, and he's got an elephant, and I'm just being polite, and he's flirting and giving me hugs, and um, and uh, so I'm like, uh no, and then all of a sudden he goes, I have weed and cocaine. I was like, Oh. Okay, so this is a cover. Thanks, thanks, but no, thanks. But yeah, I'm all good, yeah. But it's right there on the beaches on the resort, so you know it's on the down low. Drugs are are illegal in the Dominican Republic. So I asked my friends, I'm like, Do you think they actually hire these guys to come down here to supply drugs to these people? Because they're a lot of rich people, I'm sure a lot of cocaine gets used down there. And then we decided maybe not hire them, but just let them be so because if not, if you want it, you're gonna get it. And then people are gonna be leaving and going into town and getting murdered, and that's not a good look for the resort. So yeah. So I'd imagine they're not necessarily hired help, but yeah, definitely allowed to do it. They're sanctioned, yeah. Yeah, but besides that one little um shyster, it was it was great. Nothing, nothing bad happened. Nobody. Oh, I will say, like the next day I was out on my patio in the morning and I am looking out on the beach, and he's down there waving at me. And I was like, Oh, we're locking our screen door tonight. Um, to the patio, because we're only on the second floor, so I'm sure he can climb the palm trees outside of our uh our room. So yeah, but it was good, it was relaxing, beautiful weather. Good. Yeah. Now I'm home in the cold. Yeah, I'm happy to be home now. Good. My cats are happy I'm home. I bet they have been up my butt. I bet.
SPEAKER_06:I did nothing. I stalked Nicole.
SPEAKER_04:She did. She made me do that damn life 360. Oh, now she loves it. Well, I love it with you. I've always found it incredibly creepy that everyone tracks their family members and their friends. My daughter has gotten into fights with friends because they invited her over and she didn't go and she ended up going somewhere else, and then they're pissy because I'm just like, What in the hell? But yeah, so before I left, Heather sends me this app and I'm like, What is this?
SPEAKER_06:I said, I must stalk you now.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06:So oh, and then meanwhile, so this is Miss isn't interested, and then I get a text at 10 30 at night on the Super Bowl. Why am I just now getting home? So don't let her fool you.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, we're gonna full on stalk each other now.
SPEAKER_06:Why are you getting home so late?
SPEAKER_04:The Super Bowl, bro. Yeah, I wasn't even thinking about that. It's probably a little tipsy button, too. Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah. Yeah, that's it. That's all I have. I have nothing. I went to work. That was all. Okay. I worked today, it was my day off. I worked.
SPEAKER_04:I heard Saturday was bitter cold. Oh, geez, Louise.
SPEAKER_06:God damn. I've blocked that shit out. Man. Holy hell. Yeah, I'm glad I missed that. It doesn't get cold. It gets cold. It's chilly here. We'll just say that. Because we do have, you know, Chicago friends and Canadian friends. Right, right. It gets chilly here. Well, you all sent your weather on Saturday and y'all can have it back because it was brutal.
SPEAKER_04:Well, that was the funny thing too, because there were a number of Canadians there, and we're like, oh, we just talked to so and so, and they said it's negative eight or feels like negative eight, and they're like, Oh, it's actually negative forty where we live. We're like, Yeah. Never mind. Yeah. Yeah, but they choose to live there. Right? It's not supposed to be this cold for this long.
SPEAKER_06:No, and that's the thing, it's not supposed to be this this cold this long. Right. Like it'll get this cold. Yeah, for a couple days. Yeah, but this has been like a full-on like almost we're pushing a month now with this cold weather.
SPEAKER_04:Yes. But 50s this week.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, finally the snow is melting.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, finally. I was not happy to come home till all that snow is still on the ground.
SPEAKER_06:I'm tired of trudging through it and whatever.
SPEAKER_04:Mm-hmm. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:So yeah, that was her fun-filled week.
SPEAKER_04:I feel like I had something else to share, but I don't have anything to share.
SPEAKER_06:Literally nothing. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:All right. That's good. I probably don't either. Like I said, my brain's not working too well today. Uh the um Puntacana airport was lovely. It's funny, they don't have like restaurants and bars like what we're used to. They have had two food courts, and in the food court was Taco Bell, Pizza Hut, Wendy's, and one other one. I can't remember what it was. But that's all you could eat. There was a bar, like one big bar. But um, you know, usually you get into an airport, you can't smoke cigarettes. So they had the most beautiful smoking area right by the gate. It was this uh huge outdoor space, totally covered, but totally everything's open, like nothing's actually closed up. Well, the airport's closed up, but um plants, these big wooden, beautiful rockers, cushiony seats, nice just for the smokers too. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and that was the fun part too. Like you're walking around. This is gonna sound dumb, but I'm gonna say it anyway. It people just look like people, like you don't know, and you're walking by somebody and they're speaking in some other language, you're like so many people from so many places there. It was really cool, but yeah, we had a good time, it was a good amount of time. I was ready to come home. I'm sure. Yes, I missed my kitties, so yeah, that's that's my vacation. Yay! Vacation, vacation, all right. So now let's fuck around and find out about Nelson Mandela. Nelson Mandela. Um, I was looking for a topic this week, so I pulled a this weekend history search, and um this week, I believe it was the 11th today. Today's the 11th. Oh, it might have been today. Um, in 1990, he was released from prison. And I was like, okay, yeah, that's a good one. With how screwed up the world is right now. We could all use a little reminding of doing good for the better of the people.
SPEAKER_06:Hang out on TikTok in my little skit zone where they some restaurant skits and some hairdressers kids. Avoid all the politics. I have a lot politics come on and I go, nope. Nope.
SPEAKER_04:There's some birds. What I want. I mean, I know it's getting bad because I was watching the news this morning and Rand Paul has come out and said he does not agree with what's going on, and he is open to agreeing with the Democrats on ice. This is yeah, like what he's talking about. Um, yeah, so it's getting pretty bad when those hardcore guys are like, um, we may be going too far at this point. We need to reel this in a little bit here. All right, so I got my information this week from the factfile.org and britannica.com. One of my favorite places to get my stuff. Stuff. All right, Nelson Mandela was born July 18th, 1918 in South Africa, and he died November or December 5th, 2013. Uh, he was a black nationalist and the first black president of South Africa from 1994 to 1999. His negotiations in the early 1990s with South African president F. W. De Klerk helped end the country's apartheid system of racial segregation and ushered in a peaceful transition to minority or majority role. They were in minority role. Yeah. Um, Mandela and De Klerk were jointly awarded the Nobel Peace Prize of Peace in 1993 for their efforts. Because that's how you earn a Nobel Peace Prize. What? You don't just get one. Why? You don't make war and get a Nobel Peace Prize.
SPEAKER_06:Can I just say for a second that I'll probably cut this part out, but maybe not because I'm feeling frisky. Okay. Um you know, I have been accused of summoning demons a lot. And I say to myself, why would I live the life I live if I in fact could summon a demon or had time with the devil to sell my soul.
SPEAKER_04:Like demon services at your fingertips. Right, right.
SPEAKER_06:I would have a peace prize by now. I certainly wouldn't be living the way I live. Just saying. I would have a peace prize. Makes sense. If I could conjure demons. I can't. Therefore, I do not have.
SPEAKER_04:All right. Nelson Mandela was the son of Chief Henry Mandela and the Madiba clan. Of the Madiba clan. Um man, there's gonna be a lot of words I don't know how to say right here because I don't know anything about languages in Africa.
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SPEAKER_04:Speaking of Zosa, uh this is it's well, this is spelled X-H-O-S-A. I am assuming that's how you pronounce it. But um one of the staff in uh Putacana's name was Sosa. Dude, the muscles on this man. My God. All right, anyway. Was his first name Sammy? That's what I asked, but his first name was Sosa.
SPEAKER_06:Oh. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_04:So not Sammy Sosa. Exactly. Yep. I asked the same thing. And he's probably so sick of that question. I have no doubt. God damn America. Yep. After his father's death, young Nelson was raised by oh gosh. The regent of Tambu. I'm not gonna say his name, I'm just gonna say he was the regent. Nelson renounced his claim to the chieftainship to become a lawyer. He attended South African Native College, later the University of Fort Hare, uh, and studied law at the University of the Whitwater's Rand. Witwatersrand is probably the right way to say it, instead of pronouncing each syllable. He later passed the qualification exam to become a lawyer. In 1944, he joined the African National Congress, a black liberation group, and became a leader of its youth league. That same year, he met and married Evelyn Mace. Mandela subsequently held another ANC leadership position through which he helped revitalize the organization and oppose the apartheid policies of the ruling National Party. In 1952, in Johannesburg, the fellow ANC leader Oliver Tombaugh Mandela established South Africa's first black law practice specializing in cases resulting from the post-1949 apartheid led legislation. Also that year, Mandela played an important role in launching a campaign of defiance against South Africa's past laws, which requires non-whites to carry documents known as passes, past books, or reference books. Where are your papers? Authorizing their presence in areas that the government deemed restricted, generally reserved for white people. Like our whole country. Like the super at this time. Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I read it. I read something the other day that was like, y'all didn't understand Kenrik Lamar's um halftime show either. So clearly it's not a language barrier.
unknown:Right.
SPEAKER_04:Uh he traveled throughout the country as part of the uh campaign trying to build support for nonviolent means of protest against the discriminatory laws. In 1955, he was involved in drafting the Freedom Charter, a document calling for non-racial social democracy in South Africa. Mandela's anti-apartheid activism made him a frequent target of the authorities. Starting in 1952, he was intermittently banned, uh severely restricted in travel, association, and speech. In December 1956, he was arrested with more than 100 other people on charges of treason that were designed to harass anti-apartheid activists.
SPEAKER_07:Hmm.
SPEAKER_04:Mandela went on trial that same year and eventually was acquitted in 1961. During the extended court proceedings, he divorced his first wife and married Namzamo Winifred. I'm not even going to try her last name. Her last name was then Mandela. I don't want to be mean. After the massacre of unarmed black South Africans by police force at Sharpville in 1960 and the subsequent banning of the ANC, Mandela abandoned his nonviolent stance and began advocating acts of sabotage against the South African regime. He went underground, during which time he became known as the Black Pimpernell for his ability to evade capture and was one of the founders of Spear of the Nation, the military wing of the ANC. In 1962, he went to Algeria for training in guerrilla warfare and sabotage, returning to South Africa later that year. On August 5th, shortly after his return, Mandela was arrested at a roadblock in Natal. He was subsequently sentenced to five years in prison. In 1963, the imprisonment Mandela and the imprisoned Mandela and several other men were tried for sabotage treason and violent conspiracy in the infamous Rivonia trial, named after a fashionable suburb of Johannesburg, where raiding police had discovered quantities of arms and equipment at the headquarters of the underground. Uh that thing I said before. Right. Okay. Mandela's speech from the DOC, in which he admitted the truth of some of the charges made against him, was a classic defense of liberty and defiance of tyranny. His speech garnered international attention and acclaim and was published later that year as I Am Prepared to Die. On June 12, 1964, he was sentenced to life imprisonment, narrowly escaping the death penalty. From 64 to 82, Mandela was incarcerated at Roban Island Prison off Cape Town. He was subsequently kept at the Maximum Security Pulsmar Prison until 1988, when after being treated for tuberculosis, he was transferred to Victor Verster Prison near Parl. The South African government periodically made conditional offers of freedom to Mandela, most notably in 1976, on the condition that he recognized the newly independent and highly controversial status of the Transky Bantustan and agree to reside there. An offer made in 1985 required that he renounce the use of violence. Mandela refused both these offers, the second on the premise that not only free men were able to engage in such negotiations, and as a prisoner, he was not a free man. Throughout his incarceration, Mandela retained wide support among South Africa's black population, and his imprisonment became a cause that looks like a French word.
SPEAKER_05:Celebri.
SPEAKER_04:Okay. Among the international community that condemned apartheid. As South Africa's political situation deteriorated in 1983 and particularly after 1988, he was engaged by ministers of uh President P. W. Botha's government in exploratory negotiations he made with Botha's successor, Del Kirk, in December 1989.
SPEAKER_06:Did you know? I Googled it because I had a feeling. Okay. That the Mandela effect is called that because uh a paranormal researcher, Fiona Broom, coined the term after realizing many people shared a vivid false memory of Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the 1980s when he actually lived until 2013, becoming South Africa's president. I feel like I remember that. I think that one I don't remember. Yeah. Uh she discovered a shared false memory around 2009-2010, realizing she wasn't alone in remembering Mandela's funeral from prison. Wow. That's so cool. The Barrenstein Bears is another one. It's actually the Barenstein Bears.
SPEAKER_04:Are we the only generation that did this?
SPEAKER_06:There's it's funny that you should say not to discount Mr. Mandela, but there is a a a thing that said at some point during the 80s something happened where we jumped timelines. And they either are trying to erase everything that happened or something went horribly wrong, or something like either the um World War III did in fact happen and they're trying they have tried to erase it from our memories or something. Because that's not crazy. Exactly. And I didn't until just a second when I looked that up, did not know that the term had not even been coined until 2009.
SPEAKER_04:I didn't either. I assumed I don't know when it was. I think something kind of like um Asian, like India Asia kind of thing, like Mandela. That's Mandela, yeah. Yeah, that's kind of what I think uh not that I ever put any thought into where the Mandela effect came from, but if you were to ask me, that's probably what I would have said.
SPEAKER_06:Well, and then why is it just us? Right. Like that's what I mean. Yeah, I know.
SPEAKER_04:Like I because I don't think it's happened in like anywhere else. Like I don't think my kids have things they think they remember from their childhood. Oh my mom, that's like, you know, right, right.
SPEAKER_06:I remember when that nuclear bomb dropped in in Berlin. Everybody died.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. I totally remember it.
unknown:How about that?
SPEAKER_04:All right, on February 11th, 1990, it was today. Go me. Uh today is Wednesday, by the way. We are taping a daily because uh somebody was jet setting around the dam.
SPEAKER_05:International.
SPEAKER_04:International, Mrs. Worldwide, just like um pit bull. Oh god. I love missing Mr. Worldwide.
SPEAKER_06:Absolutely hate Pitbull.
SPEAKER_04:That's how I feel about Bruno Mars. So I get pit, they're kind of the same cliche, but for some reason I just love pit bull.
SPEAKER_06:And serious satellite radio has like pit bull channel, and I'm just like, I couldn't how I feel about reggae, also. Oh yeah. I do not like it. Sam I am. You know what I wouldn't do? I wouldn't boycott an entire football game if they were to, I don't know, have some reggae artist. I would say, you know what? Some halftime shows are not for me. And this one would be one. And you know what I would do? Exactly what I did in this halftime show, which also was not for me. I went and had cake.
SPEAKER_04:I will say, if they ever do a country halftime show, I will boycott that one. I will turn the TV off until it's over. I will not watch it. But I it and that's nothing against anybody who likes country music. My ears just can't take it. I don't know. I can listen to anything but all right. February 11, 1990. The South African government under President de Klerk um released Mandela from prison. Shortly after his release, Mandela was chosen deputy president of the ANC. He became president of the party in July 1991. Mandela led the ANC in negotiations with the de Klerk. I'm sure I'm saying that. You're right. I'm trying to say it all accent. It's because I've been in a foreign-speaking country.
SPEAKER_06:See, she's that girl.
SPEAKER_04:I have been very conscious though when I'm walking into places and not being like, hola. I would like uh salsa. Um Margarita.
SPEAKER_06:I can't roll my R, so it would be no good in speaking Spanish.
SPEAKER_04:It did inspire me though. Like I had 10 years of Spanish back in like through middle school, high school, and two years in college. I was pretty fluent, and then I never used it. So it's I'm sure it's in there, but it's definitely not usable.
SPEAKER_06:Um Jon Stewart, that was funny because he said, I guess these people, uh the people who were boycotting had never been to the biblioteca. And I never took Spanish, but I did take French, and I do know that you do have to ask for the library a lot. In every language, that is a phrase they teach you. Uh la bibliothèque. And I don't know why you would be in a foreign country and need to know where the library is.
SPEAKER_04:Well, back in our day, we might needed an encyclopedia to look up something we wanted to find out about. Well, that's we But but my my my therapist, I think I talked about the bingo card that my therapist is having me do. No. So this happened around New Year's, um, because she asked me about a resolution. I don't do resolutions because they never work, and then you just feel like shit about yourself. So what's the point? Um, so she had this uh she had found this idea from actually gotten it from a friend of hers, um, that you take a blank bingo card and you put things you want to achieve during the year. Right. And then each time you get bingo, you reward yourself. I've decided I'm gonna buy shoes every time I get bingo.
SPEAKER_05:Great idea.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. And one of the things I put in there was to relearn Spanish. And I have gone onto the community college page. They do have the Spanish one and two. I think if I can get those two down and get the basics back, right, then maybe I could do like one of the apps or something, but I want to actually speak it with somebody and you try to pull it out of there. Um, so yeah, that was one of my uh my squares.
SPEAKER_06:We should go back to 1984, five. Oh, so let's let's hear some music.
SPEAKER_04:All right, so uh this is our um Nicole's 1984 diary entry uh segment. Uh we are on Monday, April 16th. Great, we have to go back to school, don't we? Today was the first day of the end of Easter vacation. The first day of the end of Easter vacation. At school, it felt weird not having to go to Miss Fox's and school. Oh yeah, my whole world was turned upside down. I can see. Um, today we cleaned the house and my room is finally clean, which which is weird because I never had a clean. I never had one either. I still don't. My sister is back to begging me to fix breakfast.
unknown:God damn it.
SPEAKER_04:Today was my stepsister's birthday. My parents bought her a blue bunny, and me and my sister got her a blue bathing suit. She must enjoy the color blue. She must have liked blue. Um, we all got her cards, and Nana gave her a five-dollar bill. Oh, that's great. Which is what Nana did with all of her grandchildren. We all, and she was always on time. You got that card when you were supposed to get it. It had a five-dollar bill, and the year you turned 18, you got no more money. Yep. My I'm still her granddaughter after that, but I still don't. I would have loved you. You're in five bucks.
SPEAKER_06:You're a you're no longer in need of five dollars. That's when you need it more than ever. Like exactly. Don't give it to me when I'm five.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, my parents are paying for everything now.
SPEAKER_06:Uh it's funny because um, not my grandmother, because my grandmother was a raging bitch, but my um mom's bestie, her mother would send my sister and I a five-dollar bill for our birthdays. That is precious. Much past the time we were 18, by the way.
SPEAKER_04:At least somebody loved you. Yeah, well, few and far between. All right, so that is the end of uh this year in 1984. Yeah, I guess we're the year of 1984.
SPEAKER_06:It is spring break, so we're on the end of spring break, I guess. What what did you only have like four days of spring break or something?
SPEAKER_04:I don't know. It didn't feel like we used to have a month off for like Christmas and Easter.
SPEAKER_06:I had a week.
SPEAKER_04:I think we had a week.
SPEAKER_06:But I had a weird I I had weirdness at my school because we had a winter break too at the end of January. We had the last week of January off. Um and then we had a week off in April because uh everybody's parents owned businesses in at the beach, so you couldn't travel in the summer. So they allotted time for it in the winter.
SPEAKER_04:And I'll bet the l uh week in January was so that all those rich folks could take their vacations. Ski trips. Yeah, yeah, or inclusive resorts. Or on inclusive resorts. We went skiing. All right, back to Mr. Mandela. Yes, the amazing Mr. Mandela. Um, in April 1994, the Mandela-led ANC won South Africa's first election by universal suffrage, and on May 10th, Mandela was sworn in as president of the country's first multi-ethnic government. He established in 1995 the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, which investigated human rights violations under apartheid, and he introduced housing, education, and economic development initiatives designed to improve the living standards of the country's black population. In 1996, he oversaw the enactment of the new democratic constitution. Mandela resigned his post with the ANC in December 1997, transferring leadership of the party to his designated successor, Fabo Mbecky. Uh Mandela and somebody else. Oh, his second wife divorced in 1996, and in 1998, Mandela married Gracka Machel, the widow of Samora Machell, the former Mozambican president and leader of Freelimo. Mandela did not seek a second term as South African president and was succeeded by Mbeki in 1999. After leaving office, Mandela retired from active politics but maintained a strong international presence as the advocate of peace, reconciliation, and social justice, often through the work of the Nelson Mandela Foundation, which was established in 1999. He was a founding member of the Elders, a group of international leaders established in 2007 for the promotion of conflict resolution and problem solving throughout the world. In 2008, Mandela was fed with several celebrations in South Africa, Great Britain, and other countries in honor of his 90th birthday. Mandela Day, observed on Mandela's birthday, was created to honor his legacy by promoting community service around the world. It was first observed on July 18th, 2009, and was sponsored primarily by the Nelson Mandela Foundation and the 46664 initiative. The foundation's HIV and AIDS Global Awareness and Prevention Campaign. Later that year, the United Nations declared that the day would be observed annually as Nelson Mandela International Day. Nelson's Mandela's writings and speeches were collected in I Am Prepared to Die in 1964, No Easy Walk to Freedom in 1965, The Struggle is My Life, 1978. Sounds like the title to your book. And in his own words, which was published in 2003. The autobiography, Long Walk to Freedom, which chronicles his early life and years in prison, was published in 1994. An unfinished draft of his second volume of memoirs was completed by Mandela Langa and released uh post music post hum post oh good lord.
SPEAKER_05:Post I have heard it posthumously.
SPEAKER_06:I have heard it different ways, so I I say posthumously, but I have heard it said the other way. Yeah, yeah. I don't know what's right because I never actually bothered to look at it. Okay.
SPEAKER_04:Uh in Dare Not Linger, the Presidential Years, which was published in 2017. In 2024, 14 locations within South Africa were symbolic of Manela's life and the country's struggle for human rights, liberation, and reconciliation were collectively designated a UNESCO World Heritage Site. The locations include the great place at there is no, I mean the first three letters are MQH, so there's I'm not even gonna try. Uh where Mandela was raised after his father's death. Multiple sites related to the 1960 Sharpville Massacre, the streets of Orlando West, the epicenter of the 1966 Soweto uprising, and the union buildings in Pretoria, now the country seat of government. And I remember what I said. I wanted to say something in the beginning, and I can't remember what it was. Okay. Did you see that yesterday um the Trump administration removed the pride flag from the Stonewall National Monument Monuments?
SPEAKER_06:Oh no, I did not.
SPEAKER_04:Because national monument monuments are only allowed to fly the American flag. I'm surprised he lets it stay.
SPEAKER_06:Hold up, hold hold it. Let's back up. Okay. So I'm gonna go on. I don't know for sure. Because I don't know for sure. But I feel certain that there are at least one Confederate battleground that would also fly a Confederate flag.
SPEAKER_04:I feel like I remember that because it was quite a big sting.
SPEAKER_06:Yes. I feel like that there's at least probably one.
SPEAKER_04:I bet there are tons of them. He's not going after them. Of course. He's taking down the Black History in Philadelphia.
unknown:I know.
SPEAKER_06:And it's Black History Month for the love of God. For real.
SPEAKER_04:For the love of God. Exactly. Because it made George Washington look bad that he had slaves. Because none of us knew that. It's a big fucking surprise.
SPEAKER_06:That any of them had slaves.
SPEAKER_04:Right, they all did.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Anyway. Now we're gonna quote. I'm gonna have some quotes from Nelson Nelson Mandela. Oh good. Because I can't hear anyone. These will be ways to um fucking be better. Quote number one: Real leaders must be ready to sacrifice all for the freedom of their people. Oh and you know what's funny about that? And just real quick this weekend while I was away, um, I was having a conversation with one of my friends, and the government is supposed to be for the people. Like the whole reason they're put into place is to do things that we want them to do and that need to be done for us. Right. And that has completely been lost.
SPEAKER_06:That's not that's what happens when you put billionaires in charge of things.
SPEAKER_04:Yes, exactly.
SPEAKER_06:They are only out for themselves.
SPEAKER_04:And you make it a pissing contest. Yes.
SPEAKER_06:Because I don't know if you know this, but billionaires keep their billions.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. And they don't care that you're they don't give a shit about you.
SPEAKER_06:Otherwise, they'd have given you some of their billions.
SPEAKER_04:Or they'd just pay their taxes on their money. Or they wouldn't. We would be out of debt if they would pay their taxes.
SPEAKER_06:Like the rest of us fucking have to.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:All right. Anyway, next. See, these were supposed to be feel-good. They are feel good. Uh next. It always seems impossible until it's done.
SPEAKER_06:Not wrong. Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_04:Next, I like friends who have independent minds because they tend to make you see problems from all angles. Which I would like to say.
SPEAKER_06:I don't know. I know that the whole democratic world doesn't care for former President Biden like I do. But the man put Republicans in his cabinet for the this exact reason.
SPEAKER_04:Yep.
SPEAKER_06:Because just an as an aside. Yeah. Actually, people who were qualified for said job.
SPEAKER_04:Correct.
SPEAKER_06:The best person, no matter their political affiliation or their color, or their sexual orientation, or what's between their legs. He put people. People. Yeah. Not she bull, but people. All right. Next. There's I'm very ranty right now. I'm trying to keep it to a minimum.
SPEAKER_04:No, bring it. Um do not judge me by my successes. Judge me by how many times I fell down and got back up. Preach.
SPEAKER_05:That's a rocky speech, also. I know.
SPEAKER_04:Uh, it is not our diversity which divides us, it is not our ethnicity or religion or culture that divides us. Since we have achieved our freedom, there can only be one division amongst us between those who cherish democracy and those who do not.
SPEAKER_06:Speak the truth and shame the devil.
SPEAKER_04:Uh, and my last quote: a critical, independent, and investigative press is the lifeblood of any democracy. You are trying to get me fired up.
SPEAKER_06:She's trying. She's lighting the fire on the I am trying to pull my views away from her.
SPEAKER_04:All right. Well, I I pulled up like all these really cool facts about maybe that'll settle me down. Well, I'm gonna jump down to the Nelson Mandela facts for kids, and hopefully that will ease me. Maybe. All right, first, Nelson Mandela is known for the anti-apartheid movement, both in South Africa and internationally. We did know that. We did know that. Apartheid was a government policy that segregated whites from non-whites. It meant that white and non-white people could not marry each other, could not share a table in a restaurant, could not form sports teams, and could not live in the same area. The policy was to discriminate between people based on their color and not allow them to have equal rights. I don't even know. I just put a wall up. Where have I heard that before? Something about water fountains and bathrooms, schools. I don't know. So I heard it somewhere. Buses. Nelson Mandela retired from politics in 1999 and advocated peace and social justice in his home country and around the world until his death in 2013. His original name was, please forgive me, Mr. Mandela, if you are listening. Rolly Lala. I think I did pretty good with that. Sure. Uh one of his teachers named him Nelson out of a common practice of giving African students English names. It's funny because when I took Spanish class, we had to get Spanish names for in Spanish class. We got French names.
SPEAKER_06:You know what mine was? What? Nicole.
SPEAKER_04:Not because of you.
SPEAKER_06:I didn't know you then. You knew you were gonna know me. No, it's because it's my middle name. No, it's me.
SPEAKER_04:Um as a sign of respect, many South Africans refer to Nelson Mandela as Madiba, uh, which is his clan's name. Or his clan name, not his clan's name. His name and his clan. His clan. You're right. Uh during his time in school, he excelled at sports such as boxing and track, as well as in academics. Nelson Mandela was arrested along with a hundred other, along with 155 activists for the first time on December 5th, 1956. Nelson Mandela rose to international fame when he made a statement during the Rivona trial that if the situation demands, he is ready to die for his ideal of a democ democratic and free society that promotes equal opportunities and harmony for the public. Crazy. That's crazy. Crazy Nelson Mandela. And your ideals. Did you know? Probably not. Nelson Mandela has a species of spider and a prehistoric woodpecker named after him. I did not.
SPEAKER_06:Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_04:Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_06:I would like a spider named after me, please.
SPEAKER_04:I don't know the spider name, but it does have the prehistoric woodpecker here. It's the Australopicus Nelson Mandela.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:What I said. South Africa hosted the 1995 Rugby World Cup under the government of Nelson Mandela. Mandela was a fan of Gandhi and he admired him a lot for his peaceful nonviolence in India during that time. He's like, man, I wish I could be as peaceful as heck. Nobody can. No. No. He was definitely unique. He was the recipient of more than 250 awards, including honorary degrees from more than 50 universities worldwide. Wow. Mm-hmm. Mandela was the U.S. terrorism was on the US terrorism watch list until 2008 when the way back on it. Yeah. Even though he's dead. Yeah. When the then president George W. Bush signed a bill removing Mandela from it. Goddamn George Bush doing things that make me like him.
SPEAKER_06:Remember when he was the worst thing we could imagine? But he was a joke.
unknown:Remember.
SPEAKER_04:Like he was terrible, but David Letterman did a whole thing where he just made fun of the way you mispronounced words.
SPEAKER_06:Like and now we would like to go back to that. All day long. All day long.
SPEAKER_04:Uh and finally, my final fun kids fact about Nelson Mandela. In 1990, Nelson Mandela became the second non-citizen and first non-Indian recipient of Bharat Rattan, which is the highest civilian award of the Republic of India. Other famous people that have been conferred upon with the award include Abdul Kal Kalam and Mother Teresa. Yeah. So yeah, I mean it I will admit I threw this together last minute today because I was on vacation. But when I saw that 1990 Gen X, Nelson Mandela, we need a little bit of that in the world right now. We need a little bit of a little less separation is what we need.
SPEAKER_06:You know. Yeah. I don't even know what to say.
SPEAKER_04:I don't know how we fix it at this point.
SPEAKER_06:We don't.
SPEAKER_04:We can. I don't think we will. I feel like it's just gonna continue to get I do, I I mean, I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist or anything like that, but it sure does feel like the robots are taking over and neighbor is fighting neighbor, and I'm just waiting for the locusts and the four horsemen to show up. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I feel like it's close.
SPEAKER_06:So I mean, birds are dropping out of the sky currently here from bird flu. And I know I was really as an aside, I think we all know I'm a weirdo. Um, there has been a dead bird over in an area near where I walked the dog for close to a year now that I have been keeping my eye on it to decompose so that I in fact can have its skull. Oh. Right. So let nature do its work.
SPEAKER_04:Well, I guess there aren't any um predators around where you are that would we have fox.
SPEAKER_06:Do you? Surprised it didn't get snatched up. I know. That's why I have been watching it. And then the other day I went to take have a little looky loo to see how because I don't want to touch it because I have a bird at home and I don't know how it died. Right, right. So I wanted to make sure all of its self was gone. Right. So I looked the other day, I don't know where the head went, but and it had hardly anything left on it. I don't know where the head went, and I I've seen the rest of the body, but the fucking head is the part I fucking wanted because I think it's a crow.
SPEAKER_04:Somebody else has been watching that bird for a year. No.
SPEAKER_06:And I was like, who? Because there's only like three of us that go over there. I'm very upset about it. Oh, I'm sorry. Like six months ago, I thought I lost it, but then I found it again, like it was under some leaves. So I'm hoping that maybe it's just very I'm very distressed about it. Because you can for those who go to these oddity shows, most of this shit is ethically sourced because it's roadkill. Right. Where people gather it up and then either bury it in their yard and let nature take its course, or they help it along with various different methods. Right. Well, I was just letting and I should've, I guess I should have just put in a plastic bag. Put it in a cage over it or something. I don't know, but I'm sad now because I have been watching this damn skull. Now it's gone.
SPEAKER_04:Damn it. That would have cost you like 50 bucks at the Oddity Show.
SPEAKER_06:That's what I'm trying to say.
SPEAKER_04:You could have put a cute little hat on there.
SPEAKER_06:I I that's the whole plan of it. I'm so sorry. I was gonna put like the whole plague doctor look on it, and it was gonna be so cute. And now a year's worth of watching is just going down the tubes. The rest of it's there, but it's not decomposing enough so I can touch it. Right. I can't touch it yet. I can't touch it. I can't touch it. We got a real bird flu issue happening around here. I can't touch it. And I have a bird. Also, speaking of birds, my um eagle couple that I watched, you know, they had laid eggs. They had. And then the ravens got them.
SPEAKER_04:No, I didn't see that. Yeah. They had laid three, right?
SPEAKER_06:Uh, two or three, yeah. Yeah. And they were away, I guess. Late night. I guess. And the the ravens got in and caused damage. And then yesterday, um, the male shadow showed up at the nest with a raven. Oh shit. And they have been like seriously re like fortifying the nest. They think she's gonna lay another set, um, because they have been like re-fortified. They've really been working the last few days very hard on building the walls back up and stuff. And yeah, he showed up with a raven today. Yesterday. I love it. Yeah, like fuck off.
SPEAKER_04:So they think he was doing put it on a steak outside of the nest.
SPEAKER_06:Well, yeah, to to uh show the other.
SPEAKER_04:Warn you. This is what you get. Oh, that's a shame though.
SPEAKER_06:It's it's it was sad. I was sad about it, but yeah. It's I mean, it's nature's way.
SPEAKER_04:It is. Ravens gotta eat too. That's that's the way of the So do they this may be a dumb question, but do they go in there to eat the eggs or do they just go fuck around in the nest and bust stuff out?
SPEAKER_06:They ate them. Okay. They both break them open and ate them. I wasn't sure. Yeah, yeah. Okay. There's a um a squirrel named Fiona, they named Fiona, that comes in and they had been concerned about her last year with the eggs because they'll steal the eggs, but um she didn't bother them. She came in a couple of times, but they came in back before, and then I think she was like, Yeah, no, I'm not gonna they have really big beaks.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:So she would come and like steal whatever food they had like remnants of things. Yeah. Um scraps. Hopefully, she will lay another. They they are hopeful that she will lay another clutch, but yeah, it was very sad. It was very devastating. I came across it. I knew she had laid the eggs, and I was like, I did know that it's time for Shadow and Jackie Watch, and da da da. And then I saw like breaking news on it, and I was like, oh no. It's too early for them to not hatch. And then it was they showed the video of the crow or the ravens on there, and yeah. Oh my gosh, they have the murder them video. Yeah, yikes. They got a lot, they got a lot of murder videos. There was another eagle cam somewhere that a group of kids at a school were keeping, you know, watching because you know, it's cool. And I guess uh one of the eagles dropped a kitten in the in the nest for the babies to eat.
SPEAKER_04:There's actually a documentary called Do Not Fuck with Cats. Yeah. Did you ever watch that one? No, I heard it's horrible. It's god-awful, and I hate myself for watching it. I did not expect to see what I saw. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not sure. If you haven't watched it, people out there, and you know I love me some gruesome dead and all that good stuff, but it is awful. Don't watch it.
SPEAKER_06:Well, thank you for bringing us some sunshine.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I mean, just a reminder that we do cycle through this kind of stuff. Can't really make a difference. Um, I'm sure racism, well, obviously it's still raging there because this just happened a few decades ago. And we haven't had slaves for a very long time, and this country still hates people that aren't white. So yeah. Yeah. But um, yeah, but there are good people in the world who do want to make a difference, and it's surprising he lived till 90. Yeah. After all that. Yeah, I mean assassination, mostly assassination. I'm surprised it didn't happen. A black man speaking his mind, what? So yeah, but yes.
SPEAKER_06:Just a gentle reminder that the midterms are coming up and we can enact change from the ground up. Yes. Start local. Yes.
SPEAKER_04:That's where it's you are only one vote. And you don't think that you make a difference. But if we all were like if we just go vote.
SPEAKER_06:If you all voted, if we all voted in the last election, maybe we wouldn't be in the position that we're in.
SPEAKER_04:That is true. Because we know that the people who feel very strongly about keeping all this suppression and hate in our country are going to go vote. We know they're gonna go vote.
SPEAKER_06:And to be let's be truthful, they're dying.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:They are dying.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:They're they're they're moving out. We are losing them. Most of them. A lot of them. Unfortunately. Unfortunately, people don't know how to think for themselves and don't get it.
SPEAKER_04:It's wild.
SPEAKER_06:It really is.
SPEAKER_04:I mean, I just can't fathom how somebody watched that man die at the hands of ice with six gunshots and can say he deserved it. You could clearly see the gun in the back of his pants and see the ice guy go in and take it. He never ever put his hands on his gun.
SPEAKER_06:You don't get to say you can't bring a gun to a protest when you stormed the motherfucking Capitol with guns.
SPEAKER_04:That's one thing I'll give the NRA. They were pissed. They were like, no, he yes, he could have that gun.
SPEAKER_06:They did, they did come to the defense. Yep. And I was sure that that was gonna be like a a line in the sand. And and you know what? I think kind of it is because they're leaving Minnesota, and I think the NRA, maybe that's what it takes the NRA to get pissed off.
SPEAKER_04:Well, they are huge funders of the Republican Party, so and you know, I don't know.
SPEAKER_06:Maybe when you bring the NRA, maybe that's what you need to do.
SPEAKER_04:Maybe the NRA is actually the ones running our country. I mean Which isn't a joke. I really think that might be the case.
SPEAKER_06:I I don't even I there's the nobody. The lunatic. Are running the asylum at this point.
SPEAKER_05:Exactly.
SPEAKER_04:It's just I have to say I've seen it a ton of times, and I'm sure everybody has, but my favorite meme right now is the stupidest person on the planet and the president of the United States should not be the same person. No.
SPEAKER_06:No. Can we just for one second? We're burying it this at the end so that I don't get in trouble, but you cannot say that nobody else does your social media post a horrifically racist video and then turn around and say, Oh, it wasn't me. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:We've heard you talk. You write exactly the same way you speak. Unless you are just dictating and they are writing word for word what you're saying, then maybe.
SPEAKER_06:How does it get through that many people? How does it stay up for twelve fucking hours?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I could not believe that Obama AI picture. Like I mean I can because I mean I can, but why are we at this place? That's okay.
SPEAKER_06:I don't know how we got here.
SPEAKER_04:Where has the class and the manners and the the dignity and the respect gone?
SPEAKER_06:No, I don't know. They went with Kid Rock, I guess. Ball with the ball, bang a bang, diggy diggy. That's English.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, exactly.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:But anyhow, before I get myself into too much trouble. Yeah. Thanks for listening. Yes, thank you so much. Uh you can find us all the socials. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Uh you can find us wherever you listen to the podcaster Roonies. Yeah. Uh we have a website. We do. www.likewhateverpod.com. Minus some W's. Maybe. Give it a go. See what happens. Yeah. Um, you can send us an email about which rich and famous all-inclusive resort you'd like to send us to. To like whatever pod at gmail.com or don't like whatever.
SPEAKER_05:Whatever. Bye.
